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please don't down vote because you disagree. Write a reply. Down vote what is inappropriate and doesn't add to the conversation. I strongly disagree your stanc

by baldfat 12y ago

please don't down vote because you disagree. Write a reply. Down vote what is inappropriate and doesn't add to the conversation. I strongly disagree your stance on Oracle in particular. I had two arrays at a medium size academic library 8 years ago. Anything I had to call about the data base meant a line item for business review due to cost if it wasn't covered by Oracle's service agreement. PostgreSQL is amazing and I much rather work with that and hire whoever I want with what I want to do either per instance or annual contracts.

reitanqild 12y ago
Totally agree: All to often I see anonymous downvotes on answers that are factually correct and/or helpful.
- angrybits 12y ago
  I guess he hasn't learned the house rules.
- falcolas 12y ago
  The problem is, downvotes due to disagreement are codified as acceptable. Which still sucks, since downvotes can lead to shadowbans. PS. Just double checked the Guidelines, and this codification is no longer there. However, there's also no guidance to suggest an appropriate reason to downvote.
- mkramlich 12y ago
  agree. same experience. so I rarely comment on HN anymore. dominated by very very narrow-minded assholes. my time better spent elsewhere.
  - 72deluxe 12y ago
    Where do you spend it, out of interest? What comparable places are there for chatting on nerdish things like this?
    - baldfat 12y ago
      I was hoping for lobste.rs would be the place but it is invite only so the audience is very small in comparison. I believe I have a few invites.
      - reitanqild 12y ago
        If you see this: How can one get an invite without posting a mail address in public forums?
    - mkramlich 12y ago
      Reddit. esp certain subs. its not perfect, and its hard to find the same density of tech-smart folks as HN. however, its more relaxed and friendly, doesn't punish creativity, and doesn't have the same "that opinion or statement is not allowed here" effect as I see on HN. It does have a kind of liberal/PC groupthink on some issues. But they're issues I don't like to talk about anyway. Reddit's discussion forum UI is also much friendlier and more sophisticated than HN's. And they have lots of areas that focus on non-HN topics, while also being better at allowing one to avoid politics and "startup Foo raised/valued-at $X" posts, yet-another-framework posts, etc. Again, you lose some compared to HN, but also gain a lot. Luckily everything on the web is a tab away and we can vote with our eyeballs.
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tracker1 12y ago
It's funny you mention that.. but actually hiring a part-time PostgreSQL DBA is all but impossible, I reached out to most of the support companies listed on the north american website... mainly I wanted for someone to setup a small (3-node) replica set of the most recent version of postgres with plv8 some sane backup scripts and pretty much nobody replied... EnterpriseDB won't talk to you without laying out at least $10k to start, and I would rather pay a person (or small company) I can call that to get things running... more if it kept running well. I didn't have the time to delve through all the options out there for this purpose, and evaluate each of them, when there are out of the box solutions that were closer to my needs, though not strictly SQL based (Mongo, Rethink, ElasticSearch, Cassandra all come to mind). There is ~6k/month allocated to hosting costs, and ~$40k/month to the handful of people in the IT team... there isn't much wiggle room there for a small company, and everyone wears a couple of hats. The current application is using MS-SQL (hosted in Azure without redundancy) and MongoDB mirrored data for searching against... licensing to get a replicated MS-SQL setup for better availability would be more than our entire next generation hosting budget... If we could have actually talked to someone who wasn't a sales person at EnterpriseDB that could do more than send you a PDF sheet targetted at managers that might have swayed me. Sorry, will end my mini rant.. in the end, what support I do have from MongoDB (using their backup service), and my experience with actually just using ElasticSearch and Cassandra has been far better for setting up for something resembling high availability/distributed configuration has been easier than even getting a proof of concept PostgreSQL setup working. I really hope that PostgreSQL gets it together within the next year or so, it would have been my first choice had I been able to actually get some support within a reasonable budget for my needs, or if I actually had the equivalent of a DBAs salary or more to throw at the problem, which I didn't/don't.
- jbergens 12y ago
  This is probably why a lot of companies like to use closed source solutions. I have mainly been using SQL Server and there is a lot of consultants who knows how it works. In a few years I think there will be more database products with good support from 3rd parties but currently it is hard to know what to choose.
- Decade 12y ago

by baldfat 12y ago

reitanqild 12y ago

Totally agree: All to often I see anonymous downvotes on answers that are factually correct and/or helpful.

angrybits 12y ago
I guess he hasn't learned the house rules.
falcolas 12y ago
The problem is, downvotes due to disagreement are codified as acceptable. Which still sucks, since downvotes can lead to shadowbans. PS. Just double checked the Guidelines, and this codification is no longer there. However, there's also no guidance to suggest an appropriate reason to downvote.
mkramlich 12y ago
agree. same experience. so I rarely comment on HN anymore. dominated by very very narrow-minded assholes. my time better spent elsewhere.
- 72deluxe 12y ago
  Where do you spend it, out of interest? What comparable places are there for chatting on nerdish things like this?
  - baldfat 12y ago
    I was hoping for lobste.rs would be the place but it is invite only so the audience is very small in comparison. I believe I have a few invites.
    - reitanqild 12y ago
      If you see this: How can one get an invite without posting a mail address in public forums?
  - mkramlich 12y ago
    Reddit. esp certain subs. its not perfect, and its hard to find the same density of tech-smart folks as HN. however, its more relaxed and friendly, doesn't punish creativity, and doesn't have the same "that opinion or statement is not allowed here" effect as I see on HN. It does have a kind of liberal/PC groupthink on some issues. But they're issues I don't like to talk about anyway. Reddit's discussion forum UI is also much friendlier and more sophisticated than HN's. And they have lots of areas that focus on non-HN topics, while also being better at allowing one to avoid politics and "startup Foo raised/valued-at $X" posts, yet-another-framework posts, etc. Again, you lose some compared to HN, but also gain a lot. Luckily everything on the web is a tab away and we can vote with our eyeballs.
- deleted 12y ago
  [deleted]

tracker1 12y ago

It's funny you mention that.. but actually hiring a part-time PostgreSQL DBA is all but impossible, I reached out to most of the support companies listed on the north american website... mainly I wanted for someone to setup a small (3-node) replica set of the most recent version of postgres with plv8 some sane backup scripts and pretty much nobody replied... EnterpriseDB won't talk to you without laying out at least $10k to start, and I would rather pay a person (or small company) I can call that to get things running... more if it kept running well. I didn't have the time to delve through all the options out there for this purpose, and evaluate each of them, when there are out of the box solutions that were closer to my needs, though not strictly SQL based (Mongo, Rethink, ElasticSearch, Cassandra all come to mind). There is ~6k/month allocated to hosting costs, and ~$40k/month to the handful of people in the IT team... there isn't much wiggle room there for a small company, and everyone wears a couple of hats. The current application is using MS-SQL (hosted in Azure without redundancy) and MongoDB mirrored data for searching against... licensing to get a replicated MS-SQL setup for better availability would be more than our entire next generation hosting budget... If we could have actually talked to someone who wasn't a sales person at EnterpriseDB that could do more than send you a PDF sheet targetted at managers that might have swayed me. Sorry, will end my mini rant.. in the end, what support I do have from MongoDB (using their backup service), and my experience with actually just using ElasticSearch and Cassandra has been far better for setting up for something resembling high availability/distributed configuration has been easier than even getting a proof of concept PostgreSQL setup working. I really hope that PostgreSQL gets it together within the next year or so, it would have been my first choice had I been able to actually get some support within a reasonable budget for my needs, or if I actually had the equivalent of a DBAs salary or more to throw at the problem, which I didn't/don't.

jbergens 12y ago
This is probably why a lot of companies like to use closed source solutions. I have mainly been using SQL Server and there is a lot of consultants who knows how it works. In a few years I think there will be more database products with good support from 3rd parties but currently it is hard to know what to choose.
Decade 12y ago