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Worth following the development of cockroachdb https://github.com/cockroachdb/cockroach https://github.com/cockroachdb/cockroach The long term goals of that p

by jamie 12y ago

Worth following the development of cockroachdb https://github.com/cockroachdb/cockroach https://github.com/cockroachdb/cockroach The long term goals of that project seem to align.

orand 12y ago
Thanks for the pointer to cockroachdb. The last I'd checked (over a year ago), FoundationDB was the only reasonable option for distributed ACID transactions, so it's good to see something else with the same goals.
jzelinskie 12y ago
Coackroach is to Spanner as FoundationDB is to F1
- spullara 12y ago
  Cockroach and FDBs KV core are very similar. F1 is similar to FDBs SQL layer.
Altenuvian 12y ago
Also have a look into HyperDex: http://hyperdex.org/ http://hyperdex.org/
- justin66 12y ago
  Aren't they doing some kind of goofy open source/proprietary differentiation, just like FoundationDB was doing? It looks like "the full copy of HyperDex Warp" (whatever that means) is what people are expected to pay for.
  - otis_inf 12y ago
    Hyperdex is the result of their ongoing research at Cornell University. They have a commercial spinoff which sells Hyperdex Warp which adds full ACID transactions on hyperdex. So if you don't need full acid transactions, you can use the OSS version, if you want the extra services you have to pay. It's the same with all software, really: to be able to do a large scale project you have to have funding from somewhere, as you need developers full time working on it to fix/write the stuff no-one wants to fix/write. Some OSS projects get this funding indirectly by sponsored developers who work at company X and write OSS code all day for the project (this is what Linux uses). Other projects are funded by VC money, licenses, support contracts or ads. It's not common a large scale OSS project is successful and stays successful without any funding from the outside. Thus, if a piece of software gets its funding by selling licenses (like with Hyperdex Warp), it's the same as with a company getting funding by sponsoring: if the cashflow stops, the show ends. In the case of OSS you can grab the sourcecode at least, but in the end, to successfully maintain that it takes a lot of effort most of the time, as the projects are often large, complex and the internals unknown to the user.
bdarnell 12y ago
Yes, we have very similar goals with CockroachDB as FoundationDB had: a distributed, transactional data store (ACID, CP, etc). We're starting with the key/value layer, although we have ambitions to also build more structured interfaces on top of it. It's not quite ready for use yet but we're approaching our first alpha release.
- kore_sar 12y ago
  Great news, guys. Keep it up. I'll be watching the progress.

by jamie 12y ago

Worth following the development of cockroachdb https://github.com/cockroachdb/cockroach https://github.com/cockroachdb/cockroach The long term goals of that project seem to align.

orand 12y ago

Thanks for the pointer to cockroachdb. The last I'd checked (over a year ago), FoundationDB was the only reasonable option for distributed ACID transactions, so it's good to see something else with the same goals.

jzelinskie 12y ago

Coackroach is to Spanner as FoundationDB is to F1

spullara 12y ago
Cockroach and FDBs KV core are very similar. F1 is similar to FDBs SQL layer.

Altenuvian 12y ago

Also have a look into HyperDex: http://hyperdex.org/ http://hyperdex.org/

justin66 12y ago
Aren't they doing some kind of goofy open source/proprietary differentiation, just like FoundationDB was doing? It looks like "the full copy of HyperDex Warp" (whatever that means) is what people are expected to pay for.
- otis_inf 12y ago
  Hyperdex is the result of their ongoing research at Cornell University. They have a commercial spinoff which sells Hyperdex Warp which adds full ACID transactions on hyperdex. So if you don't need full acid transactions, you can use the OSS version, if you want the extra services you have to pay. It's the same with all software, really: to be able to do a large scale project you have to have funding from somewhere, as you need developers full time working on it to fix/write the stuff no-one wants to fix/write. Some OSS projects get this funding indirectly by sponsored developers who work at company X and write OSS code all day for the project (this is what Linux uses). Other projects are funded by VC money, licenses, support contracts or ads. It's not common a large scale OSS project is successful and stays successful without any funding from the outside. Thus, if a piece of software gets its funding by selling licenses (like with Hyperdex Warp), it's the same as with a company getting funding by sponsoring: if the cashflow stops, the show ends. In the case of OSS you can grab the sourcecode at least, but in the end, to successfully maintain that it takes a lot of effort most of the time, as the projects are often large, complex and the internals unknown to the user.

bdarnell 12y ago

Yes, we have very similar goals with CockroachDB as FoundationDB had: a distributed, transactional data store (ACID, CP, etc). We're starting with the key/value layer, although we have ambitions to also build more structured interfaces on top of it. It's not quite ready for use yet but we're approaching our first alpha release.

kore_sar 12y ago
Great news, guys. Keep it up. I'll be watching the progress.