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Pigeon.ly is a great idea. One question though, is this the same startup that didn't pay the dev shop that built their website? Can't find those link anymore,

Pigeon.ly is a great idea. One question though, is this the same startup that didn't pay the dev shop that built their website? Can't find those link anymore, but remember this was a big deal some time ago. My apologies if I'm remembering incorrectly.

rory096 12y ago
Original post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8227225 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8227225 Pigeon.ly's response: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8242361 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8242361
rday 12y ago
I'm interested to see what others say here. I commented on this type of activity over the weekend, saying you shouldn't make it public. Now we get to watch. Does anyone care? Will all of us freelancers have to start requesting full payment, by check, upfront? Or was this all sorted out already, and the details simply weren't posted to HN?
- smt88 12y ago
  My contracts are prepared by a real lawyer who specialized in software contracts. They have long and detailed descriptions of how the quality of the work is assessed, what happens if it's not up to the client's standards, what happens if it's behind schedule, etc. etc. "_____ will write software for ______ that does ______" is a valid contract, if you both sign it. The problem (and the reason that you hire a lawyer) is that it doesn't explain what happens if there's a disagreement or dispute somewhere in the process. Pigeon.ly and the contractor both erred if they didn't sign a comprehensive contract. They both also erred by hanging their dirty laundry in a public place. If Pigeon.ly still had a legal issue with this, I'm sure YC would have either A) not invested or B) forced them to resolve it.
rdl 12y ago
And this is why companies should pay ex employees and contractors in full and make be parting as painless as possible. Even if the contractor was horrible, unless it was criminal, pay in full for time, and err on the side of overpayment and a clean break. Otherwise stuff like this gets brought up out of context, and even worse, sometimes it happens in private when someone is considering a job or purchase of product, and something like this can hurt you when you aren't even aware it is hurting you.

rory096 12y ago

Original post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8227225 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8227225 Pigeon.ly's response: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8242361 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8242361

rday 12y ago

I'm interested to see what others say here. I commented on this type of activity over the weekend, saying you shouldn't make it public. Now we get to watch. Does anyone care? Will all of us freelancers have to start requesting full payment, by check, upfront? Or was this all sorted out already, and the details simply weren't posted to HN?

smt88 12y ago
My contracts are prepared by a real lawyer who specialized in software contracts. They have long and detailed descriptions of how the quality of the work is assessed, what happens if it's not up to the client's standards, what happens if it's behind schedule, etc. etc. "_____ will write software for ______ that does ______" is a valid contract, if you both sign it. The problem (and the reason that you hire a lawyer) is that it doesn't explain what happens if there's a disagreement or dispute somewhere in the process. Pigeon.ly and the contractor both erred if they didn't sign a comprehensive contract. They both also erred by hanging their dirty laundry in a public place. If Pigeon.ly still had a legal issue with this, I'm sure YC would have either A) not invested or B) forced them to resolve it.

rdl 12y ago

And this is why companies should pay ex employees and contractors in full and make be parting as painless as possible. Even if the contractor was horrible, unless it was criminal, pay in full for time, and err on the side of overpayment and a clean break. Otherwise stuff like this gets brought up out of context, and even worse, sometimes it happens in private when someone is considering a job or purchase of product, and something like this can hurt you when you aren't even aware it is hurting you.