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Google Fiber Is Coming to Salt Lake City
- 0xFFC 12y agoRight now I am living in third world country, So believe it or not , Imagining internet speed more than 2 mbps is kinda hard for me , So I have question from those have Google fiber or any internet connection with speed more than 100 mbps , Can you download file from torrent ? how much your speed is ? How about ordinary web server's,Do they support download speed more than 30,40 mbps ?
- snippyhollow 12y agoI have 300/100mbps down/up fiber in Paris. As important as the bandwidth is the latency. Basically it means I do most of my work SSHed (mosh'ed actually) to a cluster and don't notice I'm working from home or the company's network. Streaming plots or even videos for debugging is seamless.
- 0xFFC 12y agoIs there any scientific way for measuring latency ? ping'ing seems kind of stupid for measuring right latency of connection.(Maybe I am wrong and ping is reliable way) .
- MichaelGG 12y agoWhat about ping seems stupid? It seems really straightforward - send something out and wait for the echo.
- click170 12y agoOne caveat with using ping is that ISPs can very easily prioritize that traffic, so you could see results from ping that you might not see in your application.
- amalcon 12y agoPinging works pretty well, but not perfectly. ICMP echo is treated specially by many "traffic shaping" appliances. Firewalls frequently blanket-drop pings from outside, and sometimes pings are given higher priority to aid in diagnostics. Usually it's noticeable when this is going on (especially the blocking), so you only need to go to some other solution when you notice this.
- anewhnaccount 12y agoTry tcptraceroute for comparison. Or you can eg, open up Wireshark, make a real connection and look at the relative times on packets for a real connection. Ping gives you a starting point, usually "best case".
- higherpurpose 12y agoI usually get 8-9 MB/s file downloads with a 100Mbps connection. I think the speed is actually limited by the laptop's slow HDD.
- hwatson 12y agoConsidering that 100Mbit/s is 12.5MByte/s, the speeds you're seeing aren't horribly distant from your "up to" speed. [For reference's sake, 8MByte/s is 64Mbit/s and 9MByte/s is 72Mbit/s
- JoshTriplett 12y agoThe usual rule of thumb I've seen for incorporating protocol overhead is to divide by 10 instead of 8: a 100Mbps connection can usually download about 10MB/s in practice (over http, scp, rsync, etc).
- 0xFFC 12y agoSSD's are not too expensive these days.
- witty_username 12y ago8-9 MB/s write speed for a HDD is horribly slow.
- csomar 12y agoRight now I am living in third world country, So believe it or not , Imagining internet speed more than 2 mbps is kinda hard for me Being a third-world country is not a handicap to have high internet speed. Fiber is not heavy infrastructure. I live in a messy third-world and we have 100mbs fiber at around $80/month.
- user_0001 12y agoIt usually is.
- throwaway344 12y agoFor reference the parent is from Tunisia, which is really only third-world in the Cold War sense. The HDI is 0.72, ranked globally in the "high human development" tier. It is just above China, and slightly below Thailand.
- witty_username 12y agoThat's true. But it's also true that lot of third world people use about 2 Mbps internet or even less. Mainly they (we?) aren't used to paying a lot for internet and relative to income, it is costlier than in developed countries (due to PPP differences.)
- cdr 12y agoYou don't have to live in a 3rd world country to get 2 mbps. Plenty of places in the US get that kind of speed, where the only non-wireless ISP is liable to be the phone company providing DSL straight out of the 90s.
- theandrewbailey 12y agoI know that Google bought a fiber build in Provo. Did they also/just now buy an existing one for SLC? When I was at Neumont, I was sad that the fiber in Sandy didn't come across I-15 to South Jordan.
- Someone1234 12y agoIf they are I haven't read about it. I'm also not sure what network they could even buy in SLC, since as far as I know there is no iProvo-like network there (most fiber is owned by telephone/cable companies who aren't leaving). What they should do is buy Utopia from Layton city (north of SLC). It is essentially iProvo all over again, and they're even looking to sell it (an Australian company is interested). So if Google stepped in and purchased Utopia, and built out their SLC network, they would already own a massive swath of northern Utah.
- batbomb 12y agoI'm assuming this is a new installation potentially piggy backing off of some dark fiber. I'm wondering if they are partnering with XMission.
- ironsides 12y agoHopefully Maddox is involved. He always served the best pages in the universe.
- McKayDavis 12y ago> I'm wondering if they are partnering with XMission. Very unlikely, as Pete Ashdown (founder/owner) was recently discussing XMission investigating rolling their own fiber until wind of Google Fiber came up: http://www.reddit.com/r/SaltLakeCity/comments/2yl51u/does_xmission_make_enough_profit_to_eventually/cpal5tj http://www.reddit.com/r/SaltLakeCity/comments/2yl51u/does_xm...
- eco 12y agoPete blogged about it today[1]. Sounds like his plan is to basically sell VPN services for Google Fiber customers who are concerned about privacy. 1. https://xmission.com/blog/2015/03/24/google-fiber-in-salt-lake-city-2 https://xmission.com/blog/2015/03/24/google-fiber-in-salt-la...
- josefresco 12y agoLots of network infrastructure in Provo - like bringing gold to a golden city.
- wldcordeiro 12y agoThis is awesome! Great to see it coming to my city. I hope I fall under their area.
- Osiris 12y agoDoes this have anything to do with the existing Utopia network or will it be a completely separate build-out? I was in college when iProvo was building out, but it didn't live up to the hype. Over 10 years later and the dream of fiber in the front range is finally coming to fruition.
- mightykan 12y agoI wouldn't think so since, as far as I know, the Utopia network was never built out in SLC. Provo had their own and it was a very simple handover for them, but Google's apparently[1] going to build one out, either using dark fiber that's already there or laying out new fiber. This is good news in that, at the very least, it'll light a fire under Comcast's business. Qwest/Century link were never a serious competitor anyway. [1]: https://fiber.google.com/cities/saltlakecity/ https://fiber.google.com/cities/saltlakecity/
- elliotec 12y agoCompletely separate. Pete Ashdown of Xmission (Utopia) has expressed annoyance[1] that SLC approved Google but not Xmission, which has been providing services to the city since its birth. I tend to agree with him, but any news like this is good news, and maybe it will introduce more competition. [1]: https://xmission.com/blog/2014/02/19/google-fiber-in-salt-lake-city https://xmission.com/blog/2014/02/19/google-fiber-in-salt-la...
- McKayDavis 12y agoPete's post today says he'll be getting Google Fiber to his house (and encrypting everything through Xmission): https://xmission.com/blog/2015/03/24/google-fiber-in-salt-lake-city-2 https://xmission.com/blog/2015/03/24/google-fiber-in-salt-la...
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- sp332 12y agoProbably two problems: retrofitting large buildings that have been built and retrofitted to wildly varying specs over centuries, and negotiating an insane number of rights-of-way.
- cookiecaper 12y agoHave you looked at a map in the last, oh, 200 years? Utah is not flat.
- chrissnell 12y agoSalt Lake is not entirely flat. It's on the western slope of the Wasatch Mountains. The cost to lay fiber is more closely tied to availability of existing infrastructure (dark fiber), regulatory burdens (or lack thereof), subsidies, typical density (single family vs multi-tenant), etc.
- cfreeman 12y agoI get the feeling that regulatory burdens is the biggest problem. I know that the laws in California are preventing them from offering the service there, and in Oregon they are waiting on a bill to pass before they will come to Portland.
- SiVal 12y agoReferring to the site of the 2002 Winter Olympics as a flat place in the Kansas category is a bit odd. If I assume you mean the valley floor then, yes, it's as flat as most cities, but Salt Lake City, like Provo, builds up the sides of the mountains. If a fiber installation can manage that, as local gas, electricity, and plumbing do, then almost all American cities should fall within this "flat like Utah and Kansas" category.
- krschultz 12y agoLaying internet in Manhattan is an unmitigated nightmare. For context, they have been replacing about 1000 meters of water main outside of my apartment for 9 months. I don't mean just a little bit of work, there has been a crew of 20 guys out there 6 days a week, firing up the jack hammers at 7:30am everyday and using heavy equipment until 4pm. (Not that I'm bitter about getting woken up that way). They're really working hard. It just takes a lot of cycles of digging up the street, moving an old pipe, repaving the street, digging up a different old pipe, repaving the street, etc. I often think (in those moments when I wish I was sleeping instead of hearing construction) that there has to be a better way. I'm not sure what that is, but the layering of multiple systems really makes running anything under the roads hard. It's almost makes you think they should rip up an entire block and do it all over at once so it is organized.
- adorton 12y agoI wonder what this means for the metro Provo/Salt Lake Area. I live in between the two cities and would love to have access. Has Google expanded to the metro areas of other Google Fiber cities?
- drawkbox 12y agoIt means lots of competitors will be upping their Mbps sometimes double while they get their own Gb services in. Cox here in Phoenix doubled speeds and since Google Fiber announced Phoenix, Scottsdale and Tempe they all are the focus for Cox's new Gigablast service. Google Fiber not only brings Gbps broadband they are encouraging it elsewhere in those cities and surrounding areas. I just wish Chandler was in the announcement as we were one of the first 4 cities to get cable broadband in the 90's largely due to Intel. The cities that Google Fiber picks are getting better internet just by being announced from Google and competitors alike. Broadband cable during inception in the 90's was such a big leap it was almost magic from 56k to up to 6mb down when you were new on a node. It was unreal and the cable companies were heroes. They could have kept going, there are still only a small percentage of channels used for data/broadband. They can compete now but haven't, all that wasted on channels noone watches. Now it feels like cities are winning the Google Fiber bandwidth lottery because broadband providers have been throttling in their extract phase for so long with no competition. Google Fiber is spreading competition and better internet almost as magically as the cable companies did with broadband in the 90s.
- eco 12y agoComcast doubled their speeds throughout the Salt Lake metro area a few months back (around the same time Google announced Salt Lake City as a potential Google Fiber location). I'm on a 100 Mbps download now. It's a nice consolation prize for those of us between Salt Lake and Provo because while we aren't on the Google Fiber roadmap we still (seemingly) reap some of the competitive benefits of it being nearby.
- whyaduck 12y agoI can toss a rock over my back yard fence into Tempe from my home in Chandler - no fiber for me!
- agumonkey 12y ago2014 potential cities map http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7PjU-KYQDWo/UwToJwZHrAI/AAAAAAAAODw/fu-aao_DTOU/s1600/1200map_updated_green2.png http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7PjU-KYQDWo/UwToJwZHrAI/AAAAAAAAOD... for evolution.
- shmerl 12y agoWhen is it coming to NYC?
- rayiner 12y agoSo far, every single Fiber city is in a red state: GA, TX, NC, KS, TN, UT. My guess is you'll be waiting a long time.
- yefim 12y agoPretty sure Google Fiber doesn't have much to do with politics. Correlation does not imply causation. However, I do agree that it will be a while until NYC gets Google Fiber.
- TulliusCicero 12y agoActually Google has made it pretty clear that it does have to do with politics; specifically, how easy the local/state governments make it for them to roll out fiber. It shouldn't come as too much of a surprise that red states may have a lighter regulatory/more pro-business hand.
- s73v3r 12y agoRed states also seem to be more in bed with the entrenched ISP monopolies. The states which are prohibiting municipal broadband are all red states.
- ams6110 12y agoIt may be less about being "in bed" with the ISPs than the philosophical point of view that internet service is properly a private sector concern, not a governmental one.
- shmerl 12y agoAll the "philosophical" views become rather hypocritical when those who have them receive a lot of money from monopolists who want to prevent competition. So stop the nonsense please. It's not about any philosophy. It's about money.
- mbillie1 12y agoLiving in SLC, this is super exciting. I cannot wait to ditch Comcast (who has raised my rates for the same service every 6 months over the past 2 years) as soon as conceivably possible.
- ploxiln 12y agoCable pricing is odd... it constantly rises, but is reset to a promotional price whenever something changes (or threatens convincingly to change). It's common to call, and say you want to cancel because the price went up, that you're switching to satellite or something. That usually works. I'm on Time Warner, and I just happened to move apartments, and I got the price reset without really asking for it. Some sort of "new service" treatment even though I only moved to a new address in roughly the same city.
- yzh 12y agoI wonder what are the considerations when Google decides the next city for Google Fiber? Some people mentioned NYC's bureaucracy, I guess the existing infrastructure is also another factor, Google would of course want to make larger impact. Now it seems that they are targeting middle-level cities (especially southern ones).
- DubiousPusher 12y agoIt's gotta be legal and infrastructural challenges. Don't know if you've been to SLC but aside from its downtown it's a very very spread out city. I don't know the numbers but I imagine the ppl/m^2 is less than 2,000 maybe even under 1,500.
- SoftwareMaven 12y agoIt sucks. I live right in between Provo and Salt Lake City, and I can't get it. sigh
- pc2g4d 12y agoIronic given the concentration of tech companies in the in-between zone. (Adobe, Microsoft, Oracle, etc.)
- SQL2219 12y agoReal world speed, hard wired. http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4084419705 http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4084419705 https://instagram.com/p/oRf3z3hgzW/ https://instagram.com/p/oRf3z3hgzW/ https://instagram.com/p/wBzu2SBgxW/ https://instagram.com/p/wBzu2SBgxW/
- vegardx 12y agoYou can't really call it real world speeds when latency is less than a millisecond, then you've hardly even exited the internal backbone of your ISP. Generally when accessing things abroad or somewhat far away the throughput will drop to 150-500Mb/s. So, not bad at all, but don't expect those speeds everywhere. On a side note, my current ISP just started rolling out 10Gb/s here. The geek in me really wants to get it, but I'm having a real hard time even making up excuses for the added cost, around $700, compared to $40 for gigabit.
- blubblub 12y ago> Generally when accessing things abroad or somewhat far away the throughput will drop to 150-500Mb/s. Isn't that usually caused by TCP and bandwith-delay product and not the connection itself?
- vegardx 12y agoA combination of that and congestion on transit providers, I think. The biggest issue with a really fast connection is that your wireless becomes the bottleneck, even if you buy really expensive gear.
- CyberDildonics 12y agowireless and fiber? that's like putting ice cubes in wine
- vegardx 12y agoSure is, but it's kind of impractical to always have a wire connected to your laptop. Sort of defeats the purpose of a portable computer.
- whitecat 12y agoI think the LDS church leaders helped this along. They have a lot of people around the world logging on to LDS.org to stream church videos.
- jordanbaucke 12y agoMormon mafia?
- uxp 12y agoI'd have to disagree. I don't have any insight into the church office building's internal network, but I do know that they already have massive lines going into the church office building and the surrounding Temple Square area. The church itself has no need for more fiber. Even if they did, they showed no desire to help UTOPIA along (they even have the capabilities of becoming a private leaser), so what makes you think they would want to pipe their traffic through a third party advertising agency? Secondly, Salt Lake City proper, where I live and where this announcement is declaring the buildout initiative, is very much not-mormon. The number of people logging on to their site to stream videos is minuscule compared to the number of people in the surrounding suburban sprawl. Google Fiber isn't coming to Salt Lake Valley, it's coming to the City. This won't help them.
- percyb 12y agoThe LDS church doesn't host its own video content. It appears to all come through Brightcove.
- joshdance 12y agoThey LDS Church is pretty advanced technically, and like any large tech organization they have many hosting sites, mirrors, and data centers. That is like saying Tim Cook would help get Google Fiber in Cupertino because lots of people around the world download apps. Sure, but not really.
- Animats 12y agoGoogle announced this back in 2013.[1] And in 2014. We went through this with Verizon FIOS, which got a lot further than Google has before Verizon gave up expanding it. Google has only a few little projects. Verizon FIOS covers 12% of the US population. Sonic.net is bringing gigabit fiber to San Francisco.[2] Construction is underway in the Sunset District. Next, Bernal Heights and the Castro. Also, Berkeley. Already operational in Sebastopol, Brentwood, and Santa Rosa. Sonic may have more actual users than Google does. [1] http://anewdomain.net/2013/04/07/how-does-google-fiber-work-optical-fiber-infographic/ http://anewdomain.net/2013/04/07/how-does-google-fiber-work-... [2] https://www.sonic.com/gigabit-fiber-internet https://www.sonic.com/gigabit-fiber-internet
- JoshTriplett 12y ago> Sonic.net is bringing gigabit fiber to San Francisco.[2] Construction is underway in the Sunset District. Next, Bernal Heights and the Castro. Also, Berkeley. Already operational in Sebastopol, Brentwood, and Santa Rosa. Sonic may have more actual users than Google does. All of them in California. Those of us outside Silicon Valley would like fiber too, thanks.
- ams6110 12y agoI'd certainly run everything over a VPN or proxy to keep google's snooping to a minimum.
- sliverstorm 12y agoLooking to the future, what is being done about in-home distribution? Ten years from now, are we going to find ourselves with 1Gb/s fiber lines to our houses, and still dependent on oversaturated 54Mbps WiFi to get to it? What I'm getting at is, have we had any related push to wire up more homes with cat6a (or something of that nature)? It isn't quite as future proof as fiber, but it's cheap and 10Gb/s should keep up for a long time.
- NickNameNick 12y agoYou can get up to 6.77Gbps with an 8 antenna 802.11ac system
- SG- 12y agoYou know 802.11g released in 2003 offered maximum theoretical speeds of 54Mbit. It's been 12 years now and Wifi has evolved quite a bit since and will continue to evolve. 802.11ac can currently do a maximum of 1300Mbit.
- sliverstorm 12y agoThe unfortunate key here is "theoretical". 802.11g is old, and it's true I don't have any g-only devices left. But I do have a lot of wireless-N devices that max out at 72Mbit, and interference is a frequent problem. WiFi has evolved, yes. But my 900Mbps router paired with a 450Mbps wireless adapter still underperformed my 10Mbps powerline network for network drives & filesharing, and interference frequently drops WiFi speeds to a tenth of their intended speed. It has a valuable place, but so do hard lines.
- trueballer 12y agoWith the ridiculous caps on upload and download speeds, this certainly sounds like a gift from Santa.