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Doesn't wash. Trick question, why is it that they are not afraid about what the press will do with their snarky comments on say, Google, Microsoft, Samsung or

by skc 12y ago

Doesn't wash. Trick question, why is it that they are not afraid about what the press will do with their snarky comments on say, Google, Microsoft, Samsung or Android?

wz1000 12y ago
Aside from a select few free software communities, the Apple community is the one I've witnessed the most negativity and hate in. Maybe this is because people in both of these communities feel they are "special" somehow, and "better" than the average user?
- gress 12y ago
  Are you talking about hatred towards apple? Pick any positive article about Apple on the web with a comments section. You will see that the comments are filled with hateful anti-Apple invective.
  - wz1000 12y ago
    It goes both ways in my experience. People often hate on Apple, but on communities with many Apple users there is significant negativity in the opposite direction. Criticism of Apple is generally not taken well.
gress 12y ago
Because the press doesn't make hit pieces about brands that are not perceived as the leader to be toppled.
- raesene4 12y ago
  Given that in the mobile field, Android is perceived as the leader, this line of thinking doesn't really seem to hold.
  - seabee 12y ago
    Android is the leader by market share but iOS leads mind share. Android isn't a strong brand. Samsung, HTC, Sony, LG et al put their own corporate branding ahead of whatever Android version they use. Amazon barely mentions its existence. Apple and Samsung are probably the only strong brands in mobile right now and Apple is a lot further ahead.
    - rdsnsca 12y ago
      Apple leads in the most important metric profit share. They took 93 % of the smart phone profit last quater.
  - deleted 12y ago
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  - snowwrestler 12y ago
    The popular press does not perceive Android to be the leader in their number one metric, driving pageviews/rageviews.
  - gress 12y ago
    Android is not perceived as the leading brand. Apple is, with Samsung in second place.
comex 12y ago
For some of the more notable bloggers, because everyone knows they're on Team Apple. They aren't just people who have a lot of Apple products, they're people who have significantly bought into Apple's worldview and culture. Since tech punditry as a whole is very tribal, trashing the other teams regularly is par for the course, but trashing your own team is seen as a betrayal, an extraordinary event, a reaction to the company's own betrayal of the pundit's heightened trust. The latter is newsworthy, the former is not. (While this mentality is strong in Apple-land, it certainly has its place among Google partisans as well, among others...)
- pauloday 12y ago
  Reminds me of this[1] LessWrong post. It's not unique to tech, it's (unfortunately) part of our tribalistic instinct: > Arguments are soldiers. Once you know which side you're on, you must support all arguments of that side, and attack all arguments that appear to favor the enemy side; otherwise it's like stabbing your soldiers in the back—providing aid and comfort to the enemy. [1]: http://lesswrong.com/lw/gw/politics_is_the_mindkiller/ http://lesswrong.com/lw/gw/politics_is_the_mindkiller/
  - comex 12y ago
    I think it's telling that the two things John Gruber blogs about are tech - and sports, where fans are expected to pick a team and be loyal to it. At least in the latter arena, most people treat the tribalism as just for fun! Which is why I read Daring Fireball. I do like Apple in general, but I also just find it fun to be on a team, and try not to take it too seriously.
    - gress 12y ago
      Otherwise known as an ad hominem argument.
forgottenpass 12y ago
why is it that they are not afraid about what the press will do with their snarky comments on say, Google, Microsoft, Samsung or Android? Because the press is also running snarky comments about those? Fitting in with the general direction of the press hivemind is one of the first hard lessons I had to learn about putting anything on twitter. Of course there are multiple threads in any one naval-gazing clique, and my interests span across multiple circles of press that don't pay attention to each-other, so I generally don't tweet anything anymore.

by skc 12y ago

Doesn't wash. Trick question, why is it that they are not afraid about what the press will do with their snarky comments on say, Google, Microsoft, Samsung or Android?

wz1000 12y ago

Aside from a select few free software communities, the Apple community is the one I've witnessed the most negativity and hate in. Maybe this is because people in both of these communities feel they are "special" somehow, and "better" than the average user?

gress 12y ago
Are you talking about hatred towards apple? Pick any positive article about Apple on the web with a comments section. You will see that the comments are filled with hateful anti-Apple invective.
- wz1000 12y ago
  It goes both ways in my experience. People often hate on Apple, but on communities with many Apple users there is significant negativity in the opposite direction. Criticism of Apple is generally not taken well.

gress 12y ago

Because the press doesn't make hit pieces about brands that are not perceived as the leader to be toppled.

raesene4 12y ago
Given that in the mobile field, Android is perceived as the leader, this line of thinking doesn't really seem to hold.
- seabee 12y ago
  Android is the leader by market share but iOS leads mind share. Android isn't a strong brand. Samsung, HTC, Sony, LG et al put their own corporate branding ahead of whatever Android version they use. Amazon barely mentions its existence. Apple and Samsung are probably the only strong brands in mobile right now and Apple is a lot further ahead.
  - rdsnsca 12y ago
    Apple leads in the most important metric profit share. They took 93 % of the smart phone profit last quater.
- deleted 12y ago
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- snowwrestler 12y ago
  The popular press does not perceive Android to be the leader in their number one metric, driving pageviews/rageviews.
- gress 12y ago
  Android is not perceived as the leading brand. Apple is, with Samsung in second place.

comex 12y ago

For some of the more notable bloggers, because everyone knows they're on Team Apple. They aren't just people who have a lot of Apple products, they're people who have significantly bought into Apple's worldview and culture. Since tech punditry as a whole is very tribal, trashing the other teams regularly is par for the course, but trashing your own team is seen as a betrayal, an extraordinary event, a reaction to the company's own betrayal of the pundit's heightened trust. The latter is newsworthy, the former is not. (While this mentality is strong in Apple-land, it certainly has its place among Google partisans as well, among others...)

pauloday 12y ago
Reminds me of this[1] LessWrong post. It's not unique to tech, it's (unfortunately) part of our tribalistic instinct: > Arguments are soldiers. Once you know which side you're on, you must support all arguments of that side, and attack all arguments that appear to favor the enemy side; otherwise it's like stabbing your soldiers in the back—providing aid and comfort to the enemy. [1]: http://lesswrong.com/lw/gw/politics_is_the_mindkiller/ http://lesswrong.com/lw/gw/politics_is_the_mindkiller/
- comex 12y ago
  I think it's telling that the two things John Gruber blogs about are tech - and sports, where fans are expected to pick a team and be loyal to it. At least in the latter arena, most people treat the tribalism as just for fun! Which is why I read Daring Fireball. I do like Apple in general, but I also just find it fun to be on a team, and try not to take it too seriously.
  - gress 12y ago
    Otherwise known as an ad hominem argument.

forgottenpass 12y ago

why is it that they are not afraid about what the press will do with their snarky comments on say, Google, Microsoft, Samsung or Android? Because the press is also running snarky comments about those? Fitting in with the general direction of the press hivemind is one of the first hard lessons I had to learn about putting anything on twitter. Of course there are multiple threads in any one naval-gazing clique, and my interests span across multiple circles of press that don't pay attention to each-other, so I generally don't tweet anything anymore.