Yes, please don't think I'm saying that I think protocols that start off as plain text then upgrade are a good design - I don't. All I mean there is that I've w

Yes, please don't think I'm saying that I think protocols that start off as plain text then upgrade are a good design - I don't. All I mean there is that I've written the code required to fingerprint the implementation those use too, by performing the plain text negotiation before each probe.