I do php and have done php. The code I've worked on hasn't used a framework. I tend to like using the templating engines (twig/smarty) to separate my html fro

I do php and have done php. The code I've worked on hasn't used a framework. I tend to like using the templating engines (twig/smarty) to separate my html from my logic. I also find by separating the logic into classes it becomes much easier to test. Zend and Symfony make resuable components that you can use without using their whole framework. The fact that frameworks exist with the same name as the components makes looking up documentation on these hard