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https://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html https://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html Apache offers stewardship for projects of a certain size. That is t

https://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html https://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html Apache offers stewardship for projects of a certain size. That is they have to be big enough to accept the overhead of having for example a vice president of the project. Big companies create big projects. Big companies create projects written in Java. Big companies wants a steward for their projects to welcome outside contributors. Project - Company - Commercial Product Geronimo - IBM - Websphere (parts) JackRabbit - Adobe - Adobe AEM Felix - Adobe - Adobe AEM Apache CXF, Apache Camel - Red hat - Fuse Apache Sling, Adobe, Adobe AEM I am sure there are other examples.

zongitsrinzler 12y ago
I think you mean Adobe Flex not Felix XD
- drtse4 12y ago
  Incredibly no, he really meant Felix, as in Apache Felix the OSGi Container. It seems that Adobe has a product built on that, AEM[1], and , afaik, employs at least one of the main committers of the Felix project. [1] https://www.adobe.com/marketing-cloud/enterprise-content-management.html https://www.adobe.com/marketing-cloud/enterprise-content-man... https://docs.adobe.com/docs/v5_2/html-resources/cq5_guide_system_administrator/ch05s03.html https://docs.adobe.com/docs/v5_2/html-resources/cq5_guide_sy...
  - einrealist 12y ago
    Adobe is the main contributor to Apache Sling, which uses Apache Felix and Apache Jackrabbit (and Oak since AEM 6). And Lucene is the default index for AEM (formerly known as Day Communique). There are other Apache projects used, too, like Tika.
    - justincormack 12y ago
      And not unrelatedly, Roy Fielding is now at Adobe (formerly at Day), who started Apache the webserver and was chair of the Apache foundation.
davidw 12y ago
Also, Apache has a pretty good framework for "crossing the t's and dotting the i's" in legal terms for code contributions, so that big companies know that all the code is accounted for and there are no nasty legal surprises lurking - in theory. For a while, I was part of one small non-Java bit of the ASF: https://tcl.apache.org/rivet/ https://tcl.apache.org/rivet/ but I haven't been active for a few years, and indeed, as of last weekend, decided to resign from active membership in the ASF and 'go emeritus'. It's a good group doing good work.
- KrestenKjaer 12y ago
  Apache has a pretty good framework for "crossing the t's and dotting the i's" in legal terms for code contributions, so that big companies know that all the code is accounted for and there are no nasty legal surprises lurking - in theory. That sentence exactly summed up the point I was trying to make.
  - eternalban 12y ago
    Not "exactly". You also expressed tired cliches such as "Big companies create projects written in Java."
    - jpitz 12y ago
      Just because its tired, doesn't mean it isn't true.
      - eternalban 12y ago
        I have actually audited systems by "big companies" written in other, e.g. C#, languages. (p.s. Try "it's")
        bkeroack 12y ago
        C# is Microsoft's Java. How many Python, Go, Ruby or Haskell projects have you audited at "big companies"?
threeseed 12y ago
Everyone always considers Apache as being synonymous with old school Java technologies. But they have a set of newer big data tools that are integral components at almost every major corporation or serious startup these days: Accumulo, Ambari, Avro, Cassandra, CouchDB, Falcon, Flume, Hadoop, HBase, Hive, Kafka, Knox, Oozie, Phoenix, Pig, Samza, Spark, Sqoop, Storm, Tez, Zookeeper. I can imagine many database companies in particular Oracle and Teradata wishing Apache wasn't as fantastically competent as they are.
- pp19dd 12y ago
  Add Lucene (and by its extension, Elastic Search) to that list. In retrospect, I don't know how we did things before some of these projects came out.
  - Igglyboo 12y ago
    Don't forget about Solr!
- spacemanmatt 12y ago
  This is pretty much exactly what I expected to see, once I figured out the potential for most of the hardest portability concerns to be isolated into the JVM. Building the future has always been about stable platforms.
- hyperpape 12y ago
  But to the OP's question, many, if not the majority, of those technologies are written in Java. Definitely the majority are on the JVM, since a few of the non-Java ones are Scala and Clojure. I think the simple answer is that while lots of people do not love programming in Java, it can be attractive for projects that want relatively good performance without trying to implement a system in C++. There are also a lot of tools and companies that have investments in deploying JVM applications.
- amyjess 12y ago
  Avro is awesome, and I miss working with it. At my last company, our main method of IPC was sending Avro messages over AMQP (using Apache Qpid). It was the best IPC I've worked with.
Quequau 12y ago
To add a little bit more to this, IBM promotes Java pretty heavily and has invested a fair bit optimising Java on POWER. So for them it's an "easy" path to get projects to migrate from x86 to POWER.
needusername 12y ago
> Geronimo - IBM - Websphere I think you mean WebSphere Application Server Community Edition which has nothing to do with WebSphere Application Server (what is commonly known as Websphere). Quite frankly I don't understand why Apache didn't kill off Geronimo over half a decade ago (other than IBM $$$): it is essentially dead, has no users and only IBM committers. But at least it will end soon, IBM as already announced that they will kill WASCE in favor of Liberty Profile. > Apache CXF, Apache Camel - Red hat - Fuse CXF is also the basis for the EAP SOAP stack. I don't know how "big" Fuse is compared to EAP. > Felix - Adobe - Adobe AEM Not so sure here. It goes back to Oscar from ObjectWeb. While it is certainly used by Adobe AEM it's also used by several other products even Eclipse Equinox these days.

zongitsrinzler 12y ago

I think you mean Adobe Flex not Felix XD

drtse4 12y ago
Incredibly no, he really meant Felix, as in Apache Felix the OSGi Container. It seems that Adobe has a product built on that, AEM[1], and , afaik, employs at least one of the main committers of the Felix project. [1] https://www.adobe.com/marketing-cloud/enterprise-content-management.html https://www.adobe.com/marketing-cloud/enterprise-content-man... https://docs.adobe.com/docs/v5_2/html-resources/cq5_guide_system_administrator/ch05s03.html https://docs.adobe.com/docs/v5_2/html-resources/cq5_guide_sy...
- einrealist 12y ago
  Adobe is the main contributor to Apache Sling, which uses Apache Felix and Apache Jackrabbit (and Oak since AEM 6). And Lucene is the default index for AEM (formerly known as Day Communique). There are other Apache projects used, too, like Tika.
  - justincormack 12y ago
    And not unrelatedly, Roy Fielding is now at Adobe (formerly at Day), who started Apache the webserver and was chair of the Apache foundation.

davidw 12y ago

Also, Apache has a pretty good framework for "crossing the t's and dotting the i's" in legal terms for code contributions, so that big companies know that all the code is accounted for and there are no nasty legal surprises lurking - in theory. For a while, I was part of one small non-Java bit of the ASF: https://tcl.apache.org/rivet/ https://tcl.apache.org/rivet/ but I haven't been active for a few years, and indeed, as of last weekend, decided to resign from active membership in the ASF and 'go emeritus'. It's a good group doing good work.

KrestenKjaer 12y ago
Apache has a pretty good framework for "crossing the t's and dotting the i's" in legal terms for code contributions, so that big companies know that all the code is accounted for and there are no nasty legal surprises lurking - in theory. That sentence exactly summed up the point I was trying to make.
- eternalban 12y ago
  Not "exactly". You also expressed tired cliches such as "Big companies create projects written in Java."
  - jpitz 12y ago
    Just because its tired, doesn't mean it isn't true.
    - eternalban 12y ago
      I have actually audited systems by "big companies" written in other, e.g. C#, languages. (p.s. Try "it's")
      - bkeroack 12y ago
        C# is Microsoft's Java. How many Python, Go, Ruby or Haskell projects have you audited at "big companies"?

threeseed 12y ago

Everyone always considers Apache as being synonymous with old school Java technologies. But they have a set of newer big data tools that are integral components at almost every major corporation or serious startup these days: Accumulo, Ambari, Avro, Cassandra, CouchDB, Falcon, Flume, Hadoop, HBase, Hive, Kafka, Knox, Oozie, Phoenix, Pig, Samza, Spark, Sqoop, Storm, Tez, Zookeeper. I can imagine many database companies in particular Oracle and Teradata wishing Apache wasn't as fantastically competent as they are.

pp19dd 12y ago
Add Lucene (and by its extension, Elastic Search) to that list. In retrospect, I don't know how we did things before some of these projects came out.
- Igglyboo 12y ago
  Don't forget about Solr!
spacemanmatt 12y ago
This is pretty much exactly what I expected to see, once I figured out the potential for most of the hardest portability concerns to be isolated into the JVM. Building the future has always been about stable platforms.
hyperpape 12y ago
But to the OP's question, many, if not the majority, of those technologies are written in Java. Definitely the majority are on the JVM, since a few of the non-Java ones are Scala and Clojure. I think the simple answer is that while lots of people do not love programming in Java, it can be attractive for projects that want relatively good performance without trying to implement a system in C++. There are also a lot of tools and companies that have investments in deploying JVM applications.
amyjess 12y ago
Avro is awesome, and I miss working with it. At my last company, our main method of IPC was sending Avro messages over AMQP (using Apache Qpid). It was the best IPC I've worked with.

Quequau 12y ago

To add a little bit more to this, IBM promotes Java pretty heavily and has invested a fair bit optimising Java on POWER. So for them it's an "easy" path to get projects to migrate from x86 to POWER.

needusername 12y ago

> Geronimo - IBM - Websphere I think you mean WebSphere Application Server Community Edition which has nothing to do with WebSphere Application Server (what is commonly known as Websphere). Quite frankly I don't understand why Apache didn't kill off Geronimo over half a decade ago (other than IBM $$$): it is essentially dead, has no users and only IBM committers. But at least it will end soon, IBM as already announced that they will kill WASCE in favor of Liberty Profile. > Apache CXF, Apache Camel - Red hat - Fuse CXF is also the basis for the EAP SOAP stack. I don't know how "big" Fuse is compared to EAP. > Felix - Adobe - Adobe AEM Not so sure here. It goes back to Oscar from ObjectWeb. While it is certainly used by Adobe AEM it's also used by several other products even Eclipse Equinox these days.