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It's not meant to be a comparison. I am simply asking why most of this thread is celebrating a man that created a police state that is the model for Asia.

sjwright 12y ago
You made the comparison, you can't say it wasn't meant to be a comparison. Strip away the jingoism, and I really don't see how the USA is any less of a police state than Singapore. From stop-and-frisk to civil forfeiture and the TSA, the United States is every bit a police state with just a thin outer layer of constitutional democracy. I've lived in both countries for extended periods, and I know which I'd prefer to live in. (Though if we look at California in isolation, I might prefer that, but only for the nice weather and cheap cars.)
- unethical_ban 12y ago
  At least in America, we can bitch about it and (mostly) not be jailed or murdered for it. Heck, sometimes, things even change for the better.
  - sjwright 12y ago
    You can bitch about police corruption in Singapore -- rare as it is. The media isn't afraid to report, and the government isn't afraid to act. And sure, you can bitch about it in the USA -- common as it is. Except the media doesn't care (unless you have particularly compelling video footage) and the government is too scared to act.
    - jpatokal 12y ago
      Are you serious? Here's an actual case of corruption at a government-linked org in Singapore: in particular, look how three people making claims that later turned out to entirely factual were sued into apologizing, and the bubble only burst when the NKF made the mistake of suing somebody even better-connected to the establishment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Kidney_Foundation_Singapore_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Kidney_Foundation_Sin...
      - sjwright 12y ago
        Exception that proves the rule.
      - skinnylatte 12y ago
        So we are too corrupt or are we too authoritarian? After all we just jailed a man over pineapple tart corruption. NKF is not the government. That's kind of like saying that TSA molests people, and that the federal government is responsible for it.
        nailer 12y ago
        It's possible to be both. Do not tolerate protest, and also promote family members to run state organisations.
        skinnylatte 12y ago
        I think you'll find that there are no grounds to prove the latter part of your statement in a way which supports your implied accusations of nepotism.
  - skinnylatte 12y ago
    Here in Singapore, you can bitch about it and not be jailed or murdered for it. We bitch about (everything) most of the time. We also have a healthy assumption that we are never going to be murdered in our lifetimes in Singapore, and that things do get better most of the time, which is more than can be said for America.
jfoster 12y ago
It's a country that has extremely low crime, and an amazing economy. Achieved with fewer resources and greater speed than any successful country in history. Singapore has a different set of problems than the rest of the world. I think that's refreshing.

sjwright 12y ago

You made the comparison, you can't say it wasn't meant to be a comparison. Strip away the jingoism, and I really don't see how the USA is any less of a police state than Singapore. From stop-and-frisk to civil forfeiture and the TSA, the United States is every bit a police state with just a thin outer layer of constitutional democracy. I've lived in both countries for extended periods, and I know which I'd prefer to live in. (Though if we look at California in isolation, I might prefer that, but only for the nice weather and cheap cars.)

unethical_ban 12y ago
At least in America, we can bitch about it and (mostly) not be jailed or murdered for it. Heck, sometimes, things even change for the better.
- sjwright 12y ago
  You can bitch about police corruption in Singapore -- rare as it is. The media isn't afraid to report, and the government isn't afraid to act. And sure, you can bitch about it in the USA -- common as it is. Except the media doesn't care (unless you have particularly compelling video footage) and the government is too scared to act.
  - jpatokal 12y ago
    Are you serious? Here's an actual case of corruption at a government-linked org in Singapore: in particular, look how three people making claims that later turned out to entirely factual were sued into apologizing, and the bubble only burst when the NKF made the mistake of suing somebody even better-connected to the establishment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Kidney_Foundation_Singapore_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Kidney_Foundation_Sin...
    - sjwright 12y ago
      Exception that proves the rule.
    - skinnylatte 12y ago
      So we are too corrupt or are we too authoritarian? After all we just jailed a man over pineapple tart corruption. NKF is not the government. That's kind of like saying that TSA molests people, and that the federal government is responsible for it.
      - nailer 12y ago
        It's possible to be both. Do not tolerate protest, and also promote family members to run state organisations.
        skinnylatte 12y ago
        I think you'll find that there are no grounds to prove the latter part of your statement in a way which supports your implied accusations of nepotism.
- skinnylatte 12y ago
  Here in Singapore, you can bitch about it and not be jailed or murdered for it. We bitch about (everything) most of the time. We also have a healthy assumption that we are never going to be murdered in our lifetimes in Singapore, and that things do get better most of the time, which is more than can be said for America.

jfoster 12y ago

It's a country that has extremely low crime, and an amazing economy. Achieved with fewer resources and greater speed than any successful country in history. Singapore has a different set of problems than the rest of the world. I think that's refreshing.