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Subversion moving to the Apache Software Foundation

33 points by MaysonL 17y ago

mey 17y ago
Slowly ASF is eating or creating my entire development environment. If they consumed Eclipse and OpenJDK it'd be pretty much 100%. Edit: Which is not a bad thing. Just observation.
- davidw 17y ago
  The ASF has a Java implementation: Harmony. I think Android uses some of it.
icefox 17y ago
Reading so many Project X moves to Git blogs in the past year I read "Subversion moving" and mentally though Git and then pondered why Subversion would not use Subversion :) Anyway congrats on this mature piece of software having somewhere to go live for all of the users who still use it. "Even though I’ve become a Mercurial user myself, I can assure you that these other products aren’t going away anytime soon!" Correct me if I am wrong but the author of the blog was a main Subversion dev right?
- jonknee 17y ago
  "I’ve long stopped working on Subversion code, but I wanted to make sure the project was parked in a good place before I could really walk away guilt-free."
tomstuart 17y ago
Serious question: do people still use Subversion? Everyone I know has moved to some kind of DVCS, with Git being the clear frontrunner. Are there large, dark pockets of Subversion users still out there?
- ComputerGuru 17y ago
  I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but I'll assume it's an innocent question: Yes, there are huge numbers of people still using SVN. SVN is a mature, easy, and simple solution. Git is wonderful, but all the improvements it brings aren't enough to actually convince IT departments to upgrade years of SVN over to Git (or to bother installing the Git-SVN bridge). SVN gets the job done. With teams of under 10 developers on each project, SVN just works. There isn't a real bleeding need for Git's featureset, and especially if you've never used them, you probably don't know what you're missing out on. But the truth is, the answer to that is not much. I know and have personally upgraded companies from SourceSafe to SVN..... after DVCS caught on. Sometimes the simpler solution is the safer bet, drastic change isn't always the answer and is never good for productivity, especially against a deadline as most companies and dev teams seem to be doing these days. For myself, as a one-man dev team on projects with multiple simultaneous branches and 100k+ LOC and dozens of modules cross-linked and cross-developed......... SVN still gets the job done :)
  - icefox 17y ago
    Git is a blub. Compared to nothing svn is awesome! It is more then just the distributed nature. There are so many features that Git brings over older revision control systems that if I was forced to use an old one (and not allowed to use git-svn or something) I would change jobs. I can simply be way more productive with Git.
    - e40 17y ago
      I agree. And for me, the awesomeness didn't really sink in from reading the documentation. I had to actually use it to be won over. Whereas, if you've used CVS, SVN is a breath of fresh air, but it just doesn't blow you away.
      - ams6110 17y ago
        This is provocative comment. I use svn every day. It seems to meet all my needs. I find it logical, fast enough, tags, branches, and merging make sense, etc. When I started hearing about git, I looked at the docs and a couple of tutorials, and my conclusion was that it was esoteric. Nothing stood out as "wow that would be really cool" or "wow that's something I have wished I could do but svn doesn't let me". If it's "fast" that's nice, but not enough of a reason for me to switch; I don't feel like my productivity is really hampered very much waiting for svn operations. So, I never actually tried using git. But, your remarks have intrigued me, so I might give it a try on a couple of personal projects I want to get done.
petercooper 17y ago
In other news, COBOL is excited to announce its imminent move to the Apache Software Foundation.

33 points by MaysonL 17y ago

mey 17y ago

Slowly ASF is eating or creating my entire development environment. If they consumed Eclipse and OpenJDK it'd be pretty much 100%. Edit: Which is not a bad thing. Just observation.

davidw 17y ago
The ASF has a Java implementation: Harmony. I think Android uses some of it.

icefox 17y ago

Reading so many Project X moves to Git blogs in the past year I read "Subversion moving" and mentally though Git and then pondered why Subversion would not use Subversion :) Anyway congrats on this mature piece of software having somewhere to go live for all of the users who still use it. "Even though I’ve become a Mercurial user myself, I can assure you that these other products aren’t going away anytime soon!" Correct me if I am wrong but the author of the blog was a main Subversion dev right?

jonknee 17y ago
"I’ve long stopped working on Subversion code, but I wanted to make sure the project was parked in a good place before I could really walk away guilt-free."

tomstuart 17y ago

Serious question: do people still use Subversion? Everyone I know has moved to some kind of DVCS, with Git being the clear frontrunner. Are there large, dark pockets of Subversion users still out there?

ComputerGuru 17y ago
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but I'll assume it's an innocent question: Yes, there are huge numbers of people still using SVN. SVN is a mature, easy, and simple solution. Git is wonderful, but all the improvements it brings aren't enough to actually convince IT departments to upgrade years of SVN over to Git (or to bother installing the Git-SVN bridge). SVN gets the job done. With teams of under 10 developers on each project, SVN just works. There isn't a real bleeding need for Git's featureset, and especially if you've never used them, you probably don't know what you're missing out on. But the truth is, the answer to that is not much. I know and have personally upgraded companies from SourceSafe to SVN..... after DVCS caught on. Sometimes the simpler solution is the safer bet, drastic change isn't always the answer and is never good for productivity, especially against a deadline as most companies and dev teams seem to be doing these days. For myself, as a one-man dev team on projects with multiple simultaneous branches and 100k+ LOC and dozens of modules cross-linked and cross-developed......... SVN still gets the job done :)
- icefox 17y ago
  Git is a blub. Compared to nothing svn is awesome! It is more then just the distributed nature. There are so many features that Git brings over older revision control systems that if I was forced to use an old one (and not allowed to use git-svn or something) I would change jobs. I can simply be way more productive with Git.
  - e40 17y ago
    I agree. And for me, the awesomeness didn't really sink in from reading the documentation. I had to actually use it to be won over. Whereas, if you've used CVS, SVN is a breath of fresh air, but it just doesn't blow you away.
    - ams6110 17y ago
      This is provocative comment. I use svn every day. It seems to meet all my needs. I find it logical, fast enough, tags, branches, and merging make sense, etc. When I started hearing about git, I looked at the docs and a couple of tutorials, and my conclusion was that it was esoteric. Nothing stood out as "wow that would be really cool" or "wow that's something I have wished I could do but svn doesn't let me". If it's "fast" that's nice, but not enough of a reason for me to switch; I don't feel like my productivity is really hampered very much waiting for svn operations. So, I never actually tried using git. But, your remarks have intrigued me, so I might give it a try on a couple of personal projects I want to get done.

petercooper 17y ago

In other news, COBOL is excited to announce its imminent move to the Apache Software Foundation.