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What I take from the case - there is rampant sexism in the industry but she was not harmed by it, because she is a Machiavellian cutthroat overachiever ... The

What I take from the case - there is rampant sexism in the industry but she was not harmed by it, because she is a Machiavellian cutthroat overachiever ... The blackbook especially shows she did the groundwork for that case way back ...

lifeisstillgood 12y ago
Let me rephrase that - "there is rampant sexism in the industry, leading to harm to pretty much every woman in the industry, but only a Machiavellian cutthroat overachiever will manage to drag the whole industry into court to demonstrate the rampant sexism in front of a jury." The first half of your sentence condemns Kleiner and suggests that the laws under consideration here should be applied fully - else why do we have them? PS - laying the groundwork for a case years prior is exactly the kind of top notch risk-management capability we wan running major companies. As DeMarco says "risk management is project management for grown ups"
- venomsnake 12y ago
  Because I cannot see her as a victim and only as a player in the game that was dealt somewhat weaker hand. Of course all of Lady McBeths of the world have the same protection under the law ... I just don't feel sympathies for them.
  - lifeisstillgood 12y ago
    The major part of her hand was dealt when she got two X chromosomes. If you agree (and it seems so with "sexism is rampant) that Kleiner was discriminatory, then what does it matter how Machiavellian she was or was not. The case is about their actions not her sympathy-worthiness. I think you have to respect her ability to take this to the mattresses, even if you can see the PR briefings against her (husband was doing something illegal etc). If you feel "playing politics" is a bad thing, I would suggest that the centuries long battle to achieve legal equality, will be as nothing compared to persuading politicians to pass anti-Machiavellian laws ...

lifeisstillgood 12y ago

Let me rephrase that - "there is rampant sexism in the industry, leading to harm to pretty much every woman in the industry, but only a Machiavellian cutthroat overachiever will manage to drag the whole industry into court to demonstrate the rampant sexism in front of a jury." The first half of your sentence condemns Kleiner and suggests that the laws under consideration here should be applied fully - else why do we have them? PS - laying the groundwork for a case years prior is exactly the kind of top notch risk-management capability we wan running major companies. As DeMarco says "risk management is project management for grown ups"

venomsnake 12y ago
Because I cannot see her as a victim and only as a player in the game that was dealt somewhat weaker hand. Of course all of Lady McBeths of the world have the same protection under the law ... I just don't feel sympathies for them.
- lifeisstillgood 12y ago
  The major part of her hand was dealt when she got two X chromosomes. If you agree (and it seems so with "sexism is rampant) that Kleiner was discriminatory, then what does it matter how Machiavellian she was or was not. The case is about their actions not her sympathy-worthiness. I think you have to respect her ability to take this to the mattresses, even if you can see the PR briefings against her (husband was doing something illegal etc). If you feel "playing politics" is a bad thing, I would suggest that the centuries long battle to achieve legal equality, will be as nothing compared to persuading politicians to pass anti-Machiavellian laws ...