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I stopped reading after this "Now dedicated advocates for vaccines and evidence-based parenting" Suure. If you pro-vaccines then you're "evidence based" mature

I stopped reading after this "Now dedicated advocates for vaccines and evidence-based parenting" Suure. If you pro-vaccines then you're "evidence based" mature parent. If you against, you're a monster. For every story like this you will find counter story of children getting all sort of diseases BECAUSE of vaccines. Internet if full of good read, here is an example: http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/4/456.full http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/4/456.full

sp332 12y ago
I think tenses are important here. It might have made sense to be wary right after that paper got published in the Lancet. But data accumulated in the reverse direction since then, and now the paper has been retracted and the author has apologized. At some point between then and now, people should have gone back to being pro-vaccine.
- DanBC 12y ago
  Wakefield is a fraud. He hasn't apologised: he repeated his claims that his work was not fraudulent as recently as Feb 2015. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield http://tallguywrites.livejournal.com/148012.html http://tallguywrites.livejournal.com/148012.html EDIT: I normally ignore downvotes but these are confusing. Andrew Wakefield's work has been investigated and thoroughly debunked. The first sentence of the WP article (which obeys the Biography of Living People policy) calls the work fraudulent: > Andrew Jeremy Wakefield (born c. 1957) is a British former surgeon and medical researcher, known for his fraudulent 1998 research paper in support of the now-discredited claim that there was a link between the administration of the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine, and the appearance of autism and bowel disease.[1][2][3][4][5] That article's lead details the many different people who've called Wakefield a fraud - English subjects in English publications at risk from English libel law have called him a fraud. The bit about him not apologising is burried in the lead, but is clear: > As recently as February 2015, he publicly repeated his denials and refused to back down from his assertions,[32] despite the fact—as stated by a British Administrative Court Justice in a related decision—that "there is now no respectable body of opinion which supports [Dr. Wakefield's] hypothesis, that MMR vaccine and autism/enterocolitis are causally linked."
  - cbd1984 12y ago
    > I normally ignore downvotes but these are confusing. It apparently takes relatively few to grey your comment. I upvoted you and downvoted the Wakefield-ites, and I swapped the gray/color properties. All it takes is a few yahoos who want to deny reality to make it seem like the site as a whole is against you.
  - peteretep 12y ago
    > English subjects That is not a thing.
    - nandemo 12y ago
      Really? English people are opposed to being research subjects? How quaint...
      - peteretep 12y ago
        The parent is not talking about research subjects
        nandemo 12y ago
        My bad then.
    - DanBC 12y ago
      English & Welsh British subjects? Or just English citizens?
      - peteretep 12y ago
        British Citizens, English law. Subjects has been out for 30 years.
zadroz90 12y ago
What was the point of posting that study? I'm genuinely curious what your interpretation of it was.
- Hytosys 12y ago
  The conclusion of that paper confirms in a very convincing format that vaccines do not cause autism. It explicitly shames the OP with "Further studies on the cause or causes of autism should focus on more-promising leads." I, too, am genuinely curious.

sp332 12y ago

I think tenses are important here. It might have made sense to be wary right after that paper got published in the Lancet. But data accumulated in the reverse direction since then, and now the paper has been retracted and the author has apologized. At some point between then and now, people should have gone back to being pro-vaccine.

DanBC 12y ago
Wakefield is a fraud. He hasn't apologised: he repeated his claims that his work was not fraudulent as recently as Feb 2015. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield http://tallguywrites.livejournal.com/148012.html http://tallguywrites.livejournal.com/148012.html EDIT: I normally ignore downvotes but these are confusing. Andrew Wakefield's work has been investigated and thoroughly debunked. The first sentence of the WP article (which obeys the Biography of Living People policy) calls the work fraudulent: > Andrew Jeremy Wakefield (born c. 1957) is a British former surgeon and medical researcher, known for his fraudulent 1998 research paper in support of the now-discredited claim that there was a link between the administration of the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine, and the appearance of autism and bowel disease.[1][2][3][4][5] That article's lead details the many different people who've called Wakefield a fraud - English subjects in English publications at risk from English libel law have called him a fraud. The bit about him not apologising is burried in the lead, but is clear: > As recently as February 2015, he publicly repeated his denials and refused to back down from his assertions,[32] despite the fact—as stated by a British Administrative Court Justice in a related decision—that "there is now no respectable body of opinion which supports [Dr. Wakefield's] hypothesis, that MMR vaccine and autism/enterocolitis are causally linked."
- cbd1984 12y ago
  > I normally ignore downvotes but these are confusing. It apparently takes relatively few to grey your comment. I upvoted you and downvoted the Wakefield-ites, and I swapped the gray/color properties. All it takes is a few yahoos who want to deny reality to make it seem like the site as a whole is against you.
- peteretep 12y ago
  > English subjects That is not a thing.
  - nandemo 12y ago
    Really? English people are opposed to being research subjects? How quaint...
    - peteretep 12y ago
      The parent is not talking about research subjects
      - nandemo 12y ago
        My bad then.
  - DanBC 12y ago
    English & Welsh British subjects? Or just English citizens?
    - peteretep 12y ago
      British Citizens, English law. Subjects has been out for 30 years.

zadroz90 12y ago

What was the point of posting that study? I'm genuinely curious what your interpretation of it was.

Hytosys 12y ago
The conclusion of that paper confirms in a very convincing format that vaccines do not cause autism. It explicitly shames the OP with "Further studies on the cause or causes of autism should focus on more-promising leads." I, too, am genuinely curious.