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Their main competitor, Adorama, is also owned by Hasidic Jews, but lets people file web orders, considering it sufficient to not processes those orders until la
by kps 12y ago
Their main competitor, Adorama, is also owned by Hasidic Jews, but lets people file web orders, considering it sufficient to not processes those orders until later.
- ars 12y agoIt's clear you are not allowed to transact business on the Shabbat. But is your computer allowed to? Not so clear. Different Rabbi's have ruled differently, that's why they are different. Some say don't take any transactions at all, other say it's fine to collect the info, but don't actually bill. Letting the computer serve web pages is fine though, computers don't have to keep the Shabbat. The issue of business is that it's really you collecting the money, not the computer.
- ithkuil 12y agoI'm _I_ collecting the money when a third party (or automated process) deposits it on my bank account? It would be the equivalent of delegating that responsibility to a non-jew. I don't know how would that be ruled, but I remember reading that it's allowed to let non-jew servants perform tasks on the sabbath, though I have no idea if it's accepted by the Hasidics.
- ars 12y ago> I'm _I_ collecting the money when a third party (or automated process) deposits it on my bank account? Yes. You don't have to physically touch it to own it. There is a concept of "clearing", once the money clears it's yours. The dispute is if it's enough to avoid clearing payments, or if you should avoid taking any orders altogether. > It would be the equivalent of delegating that responsibility to a non-jew. I don't know how would that be ruled, but I remember reading that it's allowed to let non-jew servants perform tasks on the sabbath, though I have no idea if it's accepted by the Hasidics. The rule there is not in dispute, Hasidics are the same as any other observant Jews. The rule is you can not pay a non-Jews to work specifically on Sabbath. However you can pay him to work, and let him decide when to do it, as long as you give enough time to complete the work not on the Sabbath, if he decides to work on the Sabbath that's none of your concern, he's not Jewish as is not required to keep the Sabbath. You can also pay by the week and then the payment is not for the Sabbath. Incidentally a slave (even a non-Jewish slave) is not allowed to work for you on Sabbath, also animals are not allowed to work for you. Computers however are not alive - automatic processes are unquestionably permitted. AI (if it's possible, which I don't think it is) will be very interesting.
- 9872 12y agoEasy solution to the last problem - create all AI to be Jewish, presumably by having a Jewish woman program it. Then it has to observe shabbos in its own right without you worrying about comparing it to a servant or an animal.
- ars 12y agoPerfect! Problem solved :) There is discussion in the Talmud on if a Golem can be counted for a quorum, i.e. can be considered Jewish, and the answer is no because like an animal, or an angel, a Golem does not have free will.
- kzhahou 12y agoActually, the modern interpretation is that it's ok to take an order and store it in an in-memory database, but you can't commit a transaction to disk or even write it to logs. This functionality is built into ShabbatDB (shabbatdb.io).