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> This is why personal references and recommendations remain everyone’s favorite hiring technique… > …which in turn is a major reason why the tech industry’s di

by monksy 12y ago

> This is why personal references and recommendations remain everyone’s favorite hiring technique… > …which in turn is a major reason why the tech industry’s diversity numbers are so disastrous. I'm not buying that argument. I would however agree that recommendations and references create a lack of diverse ideas/approaches. Lack of racial/gender diversity: That would indicate that the people in the minority just aren't reaching out or participating in the community.

skybrian 12y ago
You make it sound so easy. Perhaps they've tried, but it's harder for them to connect? Without actual data, I think I'll go with that; it fits better with what people are saying.
- monksy 12y ago
  IMO: Its more of people being shy and/or drop the expectation that they'll accepted by the community in the first go. They should come out to the non-discriminatory user groups. (I.e. groups that don't ask for a particular gender i.e. xNUG/xJUG etc) I've found, in others and myself before, is that I've held myself back from going to meetups because I didn't feel immediately welcome the first go, or that I didn't think I'd know people. However, you can't expect for everyone to welcome you with open arms in the first go. It's easier to blame the issue on racism/sexism, than to admit that you may just be shy. (That being said, I attempt to introduce new people in my meetups to the group and others)
  - skybrian 12y ago
    It could also be distance or lack of time or avoiding creepers or having more fun things to do or not knowing about the event in the first place or some hidden factor we didn't think of. The point is that there's a filter and its effects aren't necessarily known to us, so it's hard to deduce what's wrong when some people don't show up. It seems like figuring out problems like this is what marketing is all about.
    - monksy 12y ago
      > It could also be distance or lack of time or avoiding creepers or having more fun things to do or not knowing about the event in the first place or some hidden factor we didn't think of. The point is that there's a filter and its effects aren't necessarily known to us, so it's hard to deduce what's wrong when some people don't show up. Except for the creepers issue (which only can be solved by bringing it up to the organizers), thats on the fault of the attendee. You can't make connections if you're not there. Don't blame the organizers for that.

by monksy 12y ago

skybrian 12y ago

You make it sound so easy. Perhaps they've tried, but it's harder for them to connect? Without actual data, I think I'll go with that; it fits better with what people are saying.

monksy 12y ago
IMO: Its more of people being shy and/or drop the expectation that they'll accepted by the community in the first go. They should come out to the non-discriminatory user groups. (I.e. groups that don't ask for a particular gender i.e. xNUG/xJUG etc) I've found, in others and myself before, is that I've held myself back from going to meetups because I didn't feel immediately welcome the first go, or that I didn't think I'd know people. However, you can't expect for everyone to welcome you with open arms in the first go. It's easier to blame the issue on racism/sexism, than to admit that you may just be shy. (That being said, I attempt to introduce new people in my meetups to the group and others)
- skybrian 12y ago
  It could also be distance or lack of time or avoiding creepers or having more fun things to do or not knowing about the event in the first place or some hidden factor we didn't think of. The point is that there's a filter and its effects aren't necessarily known to us, so it's hard to deduce what's wrong when some people don't show up. It seems like figuring out problems like this is what marketing is all about.
  - monksy 12y ago
    > It could also be distance or lack of time or avoiding creepers or having more fun things to do or not knowing about the event in the first place or some hidden factor we didn't think of. The point is that there's a filter and its effects aren't necessarily known to us, so it's hard to deduce what's wrong when some people don't show up. Except for the creepers issue (which only can be solved by bringing it up to the organizers), thats on the fault of the attendee. You can't make connections if you're not there. Don't blame the organizers for that.