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Do you have evidence to present that Google Fiber is using the deep packet inspection referenced in the article? Because they make it clear that they don't here

Do you have evidence to present that Google Fiber is using the deep packet inspection referenced in the article? Because they make it clear that they don't here: https://fiber.google.com/legal/network.html https://fiber.google.com/legal/network.html Also, you created your account two minutes before posting this claim?

pdkl95 12y ago
You doubt this? When Google's entire business model is based on surveillance? Even if they are not logging everything now, they will be. Google's standard tactic has been to offer some service that is enticing, that "just happens" to put them in a position to log massive amounts of data. They do it with analytics, they do it with email/IM, they do it with DNS, and every other service they offer. Each one gives them access to a new type of data they can log. Are we supposed to believe they will suddenly run ISP services differently?
- revelation 12y ago
  Sure, but as you point out, they build their business on it. That's how they make their money. Verizon or AT&T on the other hand will happily give your raw port 80 traffic to any random 3rd party if it means they get an extra buck out of it.
- magicalist 12y ago
  > They do it with analytics, they do it with email/IM, they do it with DNS Send a lot of cookies with your DNS queries, do you? DNS has this page[1]. Analytics uses first-party cookies, not google ones. The best they could do there is associate it all with an IP address, which would be a bad way to associate data and still leaves the question of what they would do with it at that point. Customize the ads only for that IP address? [1] https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/privacy https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/privacy
ksk 12y ago
That is strange. https://fiber.google.com/legal/privacy.html https://fiber.google.com/legal/privacy.html >Other information from the use of Google Fiber Internet (such as URLs of websites visited or content of communications) will not be associated with the Google Account you use for Fiber, except with your consent or to meet any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request. So they say they collect it. Just that for now its going to be anonymized and not associated with your Google account.

pdkl95 12y ago

You doubt this? When Google's entire business model is based on surveillance? Even if they are not logging everything now, they will be. Google's standard tactic has been to offer some service that is enticing, that "just happens" to put them in a position to log massive amounts of data. They do it with analytics, they do it with email/IM, they do it with DNS, and every other service they offer. Each one gives them access to a new type of data they can log. Are we supposed to believe they will suddenly run ISP services differently?

revelation 12y ago
Sure, but as you point out, they build their business on it. That's how they make their money. Verizon or AT&T on the other hand will happily give your raw port 80 traffic to any random 3rd party if it means they get an extra buck out of it.
magicalist 12y ago
> They do it with analytics, they do it with email/IM, they do it with DNS Send a lot of cookies with your DNS queries, do you? DNS has this page[1]. Analytics uses first-party cookies, not google ones. The best they could do there is associate it all with an IP address, which would be a bad way to associate data and still leaves the question of what they would do with it at that point. Customize the ads only for that IP address? [1] https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/privacy https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/privacy

ksk 12y ago

That is strange. https://fiber.google.com/legal/privacy.html https://fiber.google.com/legal/privacy.html >Other information from the use of Google Fiber Internet (such as URLs of websites visited or content of communications) will not be associated with the Google Account you use for Fiber, except with your consent or to meet any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request. So they say they collect it. Just that for now its going to be anonymized and not associated with your Google account.