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"OpenBSD's OpenBGPD responsible for 30% of worldwide BGP communication" Ummm. Citation needed?

by kijiki 12y ago

jethro_tell 12y ago
With enough loops, anything is possible.
jlgaddis 12y ago
Yeah, that was my first thought, too. In all my years in networking, I've ran exactly one instance of OpenBGPD and that's used simply for real-time updates of (anti-spam) blacklists and whitelists [0,1]. [0]: http://bgp-spamd.net/ http://bgp-spamd.net/ [1]: http://www.openbsd.org/papers/asiabsdcon2013/phessler-bgp-spamd-presentation.pdf http://www.openbsd.org/papers/asiabsdcon2013/phessler-bgp-sp...
- zdw 12y ago
  http://www.openbgpd.org/users.html http://www.openbgpd.org/users.html Also, most large service providers don't tend to talk about their internal implementations. Many in the networking field have been indoctrinated in a Cisco-only philosophy, and then get hired into that monoculture over and over to the point they don't know about anything else, other than if it's something viewed as a Cisco competitor.
  - jlgaddis 12y ago
    Sorry, I never doubted that there are large organizations that run OpenBGPD -- it's just that I, myself, have never personally encountered one (meaningless, I know). I do know that it's used quite often as a route server/reflector at various IXPs (and I may be standing up an instance to do just that in the near future as well) as well as a looking glass. I've managed routers from most of the large manufacturers (Cisco, Juniper, Brocade, HP/H3C, ALU, Mikrotik) and I took a good hard look at OpenBGPD a while back for a customer project so I am aware that it is quite feature-rich and capable and I certainly didn't intend to imply (if it came across that way) that it's not. Really, the thing that I took issue with was: > OpenBSD's OpenBGPD responsible for 30% of worldwide BGP communication It was followed up with: > Correction: 20% of ISPs using OpenBGPD That claim may very well be technically correct, but it strikes me as similar to, e.g., someone claiming that 90% of users on the Internet "use Linux" simply because their traffic may have {passed through|been directed to} a {router|server|firewall} that runs Linux.

"OpenBSD's OpenBGPD responsible for 30% of worldwide BGP communication" Ummm. Citation needed?

by kijiki 12y ago

"OpenBSD's OpenBGPD responsible for 30% of worldwide BGP communication" Ummm. Citation needed?

jethro_tell 12y ago

With enough loops, anything is possible.

jlgaddis 12y ago

Yeah, that was my first thought, too. In all my years in networking, I've ran exactly one instance of OpenBGPD and that's used simply for real-time updates of (anti-spam) blacklists and whitelists [0,1]. [0]: http://bgp-spamd.net/ http://bgp-spamd.net/ [1]: http://www.openbsd.org/papers/asiabsdcon2013/phessler-bgp-spamd-presentation.pdf http://www.openbsd.org/papers/asiabsdcon2013/phessler-bgp-sp...

zdw 12y ago
http://www.openbgpd.org/users.html http://www.openbgpd.org/users.html Also, most large service providers don't tend to talk about their internal implementations. Many in the networking field have been indoctrinated in a Cisco-only philosophy, and then get hired into that monoculture over and over to the point they don't know about anything else, other than if it's something viewed as a Cisco competitor.
- jlgaddis 12y ago
  Sorry, I never doubted that there are large organizations that run OpenBGPD -- it's just that I, myself, have never personally encountered one (meaningless, I know). I do know that it's used quite often as a route server/reflector at various IXPs (and I may be standing up an instance to do just that in the near future as well) as well as a looking glass. I've managed routers from most of the large manufacturers (Cisco, Juniper, Brocade, HP/H3C, ALU, Mikrotik) and I took a good hard look at OpenBGPD a while back for a customer project so I am aware that it is quite feature-rich and capable and I certainly didn't intend to imply (if it came across that way) that it's not. Really, the thing that I took issue with was: > OpenBSD's OpenBGPD responsible for 30% of worldwide BGP communication It was followed up with: > Correction: 20% of ISPs using OpenBGPD That claim may very well be technically correct, but it strikes me as similar to, e.g., someone claiming that 90% of users on the Internet "use Linux" simply because their traffic may have {passed through|been directed to} a {router|server|firewall} that runs Linux.