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I've been saying this for a long time. Women are not actually being singled out, they are now equal with men. But for some reason, they feel they should have

I've been saying this for a long time. Women are not actually being singled out, they are now equal with men. But for some reason, they feel they should have special treatment. We need to find ways of combating all harassment..not just for women. About 10 years ago, I had a programming blog that talked about topics such as Mysql VS Postgres and other topics I was interested in discussing. I got death threats, harassed, and emails telling me some of the worst things in the world (including the rape of me and my family members). I never really took it seriously, but it still happened on a constant basis.

paulhauggis 12y ago
It's pretty sick when talking about equality earns me a down vote. It really tells me that nobody wants equality, they want more power for special interest groups.
- adsche 12y ago
  Didn't downvote you. But it might be because you're wrong, derailing, cite nothing, and make this about yourself. > Women are not actually being singled out, they are now equal with men. Gender pay gap? Just one example. > But for some reason, they feel they should have special treatment. Who exactly wants what special treatment? > It really tells me that nobody wants equality, they want more power for special interest groups. This just screams conspiracy theory.
  - flimflamzimzam 12y ago
    The gender pay gap has been debunked. More information: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303532704579483752909957472 http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014240527023035327045794837...
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      - flimflamzimzam 12y ago
        More debunking: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete-myth/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-ga... http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/01/no-women-don-t-make-less-money-than-men.html http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/01/no-women-do... http://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/ http://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/ http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/08/gender_pay_gap_the_familiar_line_that_women_make_77_cents_to_every_man_s.html http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/08/gende... http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/04/16/its-time-that-we-end-the-equal-pay-myth/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/04/16/its-time-tha... While it must feel convenient and comforting for those who are unsatisfied with their income to blame a societal boogeyman, there is no evidence for its existence.
  - scintill76 12y ago
    > > Women are not actually being singled out, they are now equal with men. > Gender pay gap? Just one example. What's that got to do with whether women are more or less harassed on the internet than men are? I can cut a little slack because the portion you quoted didn't explicitly say that, but we're in a thread about harassment on the internet... you were either too hasty or disingenuous.
    - adsche 12y ago
      Hasty. And I regret that so much, look at the sibling comments I attracted... :( I'm sorry. I'll go to bed now.
  - paulhauggis 12y ago
    "Gender pay gap? Just one example." If this really was as wide-spread as the media would like us to believe, why wouldn't companies have entire departments of women? If they have the same education and experience, companies would be able to save 30% right off the top. But this isn't happening. From my own experience, I just haven't seen this happening. I know this doesn't prove a statistic, but I've worked at many different companies and hired both men and women and candidates in equal experience and education were paid the same. "This just screams conspiracy theory." Unfortunately, it's the world we live in. A good example of this is the ex-Mozilla CEO that got bullied online and was forced to quit over his personal beliefs. If the same thing happened to someone who supported gay marriage, there would be lawsuits and protests. Many people seem to be open and accepting..until you do something they don't believe in..which isn't really open or accepting at all.
- cbsmith 12y ago
  I think you ran in to problems with the part where you implied you could read the minds of half the planet's population: > But for some reason, they feel they should have special treatment.
cbsmith 12y ago
> I've been saying this for a long time. I'm sure you have, as have many others. What is less clear is how founded this perception is. > About 10 years ago, I had a programming blog that talked about topics such as Mysql VS Postgres and other topics I was interested in discussing. I got death threats, harassed, and emails telling me some of the worst things in the world (including the rape of me and my family members). I never really took it seriously, but it still happened on a constant basis. There's no question that trolling happens to everyone, and trolls can often strike without the foggiest clue about someone's gender. It's not like the Y chromosome gets you a free pass. However, did you, for comparison, try setting up a similar blog, masquerading as a woman, in order to compare the experience? While this study didn't find it, I believe the evidence from other studies has pretty regularly found that at the very least women get more vicious attacks and are more likely to be stalked. Sentiment analysis on very large datasets has been pretty conclusive in this regard. It could be there was something critically different about this study that was, until now, ignored, but I don't see much reason for it to be an outlier beyond that it is so narrowly targeted (small sample population, UK only, etc.), or reason to think your perspective is more well informed than anyone else's.
- UnoriginalGuy 12y ago
  > the evidence from other studies has pretty regularly found that at the very least women get more vicious attacks and are more likely to be stalked. Sentiment analysis on very large datasets has been pretty conclusive in this regard. That's interesting, can you source it please.
- paulhauggis 12y ago
  "However, did you, for comparison, try setting up a similar blog, masquerading as a woman, in order to compare the experience? While this study didn't find it, I believe the evidence from other studies has pretty regularly found that at the very least women get more vicious attacks and are more likely to be stalked. Sentiment analysis on very large datasets has been pretty conclusive in this regard." So if a women gets 10 threatening messages and I get 8, does it really matter? Who cares who gets more threats..threats are threats and they need to stop. "It could be there was something critically different about this study that was, until now, ignored, but I don't see much reason for it to be an outlier beyond that it is so narrowly targeted (small sample population, UK only, etc.), or reason to think your perspective is more well informed than anyone else's." The same thing happens on other Internet forums and on social media. If you have any kind of opinion that someone doesn't like, you will get threats. Even more so on Twitter where it's really easy to fire off a shitty @ reply. If I was a woman, I don't think you would be trying to explain away my personal experiences. This is what I'm talking about.

paulhauggis 12y ago

It's pretty sick when talking about equality earns me a down vote. It really tells me that nobody wants equality, they want more power for special interest groups.

adsche 12y ago
Didn't downvote you. But it might be because you're wrong, derailing, cite nothing, and make this about yourself. > Women are not actually being singled out, they are now equal with men. Gender pay gap? Just one example. > But for some reason, they feel they should have special treatment. Who exactly wants what special treatment? > It really tells me that nobody wants equality, they want more power for special interest groups. This just screams conspiracy theory.
- flimflamzimzam 12y ago
  The gender pay gap has been debunked. More information: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303532704579483752909957472 http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014240527023035327045794837...
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    - flimflamzimzam 12y ago
      More debunking: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete-myth/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-ga... http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/01/no-women-don-t-make-less-money-than-men.html http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/01/no-women-do... http://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/ http://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/ http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/08/gender_pay_gap_the_familiar_line_that_women_make_77_cents_to_every_man_s.html http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/08/gende... http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/04/16/its-time-that-we-end-the-equal-pay-myth/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/04/16/its-time-tha... While it must feel convenient and comforting for those who are unsatisfied with their income to blame a societal boogeyman, there is no evidence for its existence.
- scintill76 12y ago
  > > Women are not actually being singled out, they are now equal with men. > Gender pay gap? Just one example. What's that got to do with whether women are more or less harassed on the internet than men are? I can cut a little slack because the portion you quoted didn't explicitly say that, but we're in a thread about harassment on the internet... you were either too hasty or disingenuous.
  - adsche 12y ago
    Hasty. And I regret that so much, look at the sibling comments I attracted... :( I'm sorry. I'll go to bed now.
- paulhauggis 12y ago
  "Gender pay gap? Just one example." If this really was as wide-spread as the media would like us to believe, why wouldn't companies have entire departments of women? If they have the same education and experience, companies would be able to save 30% right off the top. But this isn't happening. From my own experience, I just haven't seen this happening. I know this doesn't prove a statistic, but I've worked at many different companies and hired both men and women and candidates in equal experience and education were paid the same. "This just screams conspiracy theory." Unfortunately, it's the world we live in. A good example of this is the ex-Mozilla CEO that got bullied online and was forced to quit over his personal beliefs. If the same thing happened to someone who supported gay marriage, there would be lawsuits and protests. Many people seem to be open and accepting..until you do something they don't believe in..which isn't really open or accepting at all.
cbsmith 12y ago
I think you ran in to problems with the part where you implied you could read the minds of half the planet's population: > But for some reason, they feel they should have special treatment.

cbsmith 12y ago

> I've been saying this for a long time. I'm sure you have, as have many others. What is less clear is how founded this perception is. > About 10 years ago, I had a programming blog that talked about topics such as Mysql VS Postgres and other topics I was interested in discussing. I got death threats, harassed, and emails telling me some of the worst things in the world (including the rape of me and my family members). I never really took it seriously, but it still happened on a constant basis. There's no question that trolling happens to everyone, and trolls can often strike without the foggiest clue about someone's gender. It's not like the Y chromosome gets you a free pass. However, did you, for comparison, try setting up a similar blog, masquerading as a woman, in order to compare the experience? While this study didn't find it, I believe the evidence from other studies has pretty regularly found that at the very least women get more vicious attacks and are more likely to be stalked. Sentiment analysis on very large datasets has been pretty conclusive in this regard. It could be there was something critically different about this study that was, until now, ignored, but I don't see much reason for it to be an outlier beyond that it is so narrowly targeted (small sample population, UK only, etc.), or reason to think your perspective is more well informed than anyone else's.

UnoriginalGuy 12y ago
> the evidence from other studies has pretty regularly found that at the very least women get more vicious attacks and are more likely to be stalked. Sentiment analysis on very large datasets has been pretty conclusive in this regard. That's interesting, can you source it please.
paulhauggis 12y ago
"However, did you, for comparison, try setting up a similar blog, masquerading as a woman, in order to compare the experience? While this study didn't find it, I believe the evidence from other studies has pretty regularly found that at the very least women get more vicious attacks and are more likely to be stalked. Sentiment analysis on very large datasets has been pretty conclusive in this regard." So if a women gets 10 threatening messages and I get 8, does it really matter? Who cares who gets more threats..threats are threats and they need to stop. "It could be there was something critically different about this study that was, until now, ignored, but I don't see much reason for it to be an outlier beyond that it is so narrowly targeted (small sample population, UK only, etc.), or reason to think your perspective is more well informed than anyone else's." The same thing happens on other Internet forums and on social media. If you have any kind of opinion that someone doesn't like, you will get threats. Even more so on Twitter where it's really easy to fire off a shitty @ reply. If I was a woman, I don't think you would be trying to explain away my personal experiences. This is what I'm talking about.