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Men Are Harassed More Than Women Online

21 points by yuashizuki 12y ago

adsche 12y ago
A Very Small Sample of Selected (Celebrity/Public) British Men are harassed more than Selected (Celebrity/Public) British Women. Watch #gamergate on twitter for just a minute and you'll get the opposite impression. By far. *Edited to emphasize the celebrity/public status, as I think that might attract harassing a bit.
- sp332 12y ago
  I was wondering how this study got this result, since other studies have come up with very different numbers.
  - adsche 12y ago
    Yup, they even mention other studies in the article but could obviously not find one to support their headline. So they write stuff like: While Hess’s Pacific Standard article drew on that survey to note that “5 percent of women who used the Internet said ‘something happened online’ that led them into ‘physical danger,’” it made no mention of the fact that 3 percent of the men also reported such an experience.
- Gurkenmaster 12y ago
  >Watch #gamergate on twitter for just a minute and you'll get the opposite impression. By far. I'm not seeing any harassment. On the other hand I don't see anything about ethics in game journalism either. It's just some completly stupid sjw vs anti-sjw fight.
paulhauggis 12y ago
I've been saying this for a long time. Women are not actually being singled out, they are now equal with men. But for some reason, they feel they should have special treatment. We need to find ways of combating all harassment..not just for women. About 10 years ago, I had a programming blog that talked about topics such as Mysql VS Postgres and other topics I was interested in discussing. I got death threats, harassed, and emails telling me some of the worst things in the world (including the rape of me and my family members). I never really took it seriously, but it still happened on a constant basis.
- paulhauggis 12y ago
  It's pretty sick when talking about equality earns me a down vote. It really tells me that nobody wants equality, they want more power for special interest groups.
  - adsche 12y ago
    Didn't downvote you. But it might be because you're wrong, derailing, cite nothing, and make this about yourself. > Women are not actually being singled out, they are now equal with men. Gender pay gap? Just one example. > But for some reason, they feel they should have special treatment. Who exactly wants what special treatment? > It really tells me that nobody wants equality, they want more power for special interest groups. This just screams conspiracy theory.
    - flimflamzimzam 12y ago
      The gender pay gap has been debunked. More information: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303532704579483752909957472 http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014240527023035327045794837...
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        flimflamzimzam 12y ago
        More debunking: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete-myth/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-ga... http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/01/no-women-don-t-make-less-money-than-men.html http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/01/no-women-do... http://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/ http://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/ http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/08/gender_pay_gap_the_familiar_line_that_women_make_77_cents_to_every_man_s.html http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/08/gende... http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/04/16/its-time-that-we-end-the-equal-pay-myth/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/04/16/its-time-tha... While it must feel convenient and comforting for those who are unsatisfied with their income to blame a societal boogeyman, there is no evidence for its existence.
tbrownaw 12y ago
Well, yeah. As much as anonymity is necessary for political dissent, whistleblowing, etc, it does come with the cost that it promotes douchebaggery. Which means the internet is hostile to everyone.
mcv 12y ago
It's worth noting that the article is generalizing from a very limited study among British celebrities and journalists. It's entirely possible that abuse and threats happen differently in different countries, and you certainly can't assume that celebrities are treated the same as non-famous people. Furthermore, the article explicitly mentions that their sample size was so small that classifying a single famous, controversial journalist as either celebrity or journalist had a dramatic impact on the results. What also matters is the nature of the abuse. Is the abuse aimed at men just as sexual/rape oriented as that aimed at women? It doesn't say. All in all, my impression is that the article selects and presents the data in a way convenient for the point it's trying to make. (That doesn't change the fact that of course all harassment and threats are bad, and they all need to be fought.)

21 points by yuashizuki 12y ago

A Very Small Sample of Selected (Celebrity/Public) British Men are harassed more than Selected (Celebrity/Public) British Women. Watch #gamergate on twitter for just a minute and you'll get the opposite impression. By far. *Edited to emphasize the celebrity/public status, as I think that might attract harassing a bit.

sp332 12y ago
I was wondering how this study got this result, since other studies have come up with very different numbers.
- adsche 12y ago
  Yup, they even mention other studies in the article but could obviously not find one to support their headline. So they write stuff like: While Hess’s Pacific Standard article drew on that survey to note that “5 percent of women who used the Internet said ‘something happened online’ that led them into ‘physical danger,’” it made no mention of the fact that 3 percent of the men also reported such an experience.
Gurkenmaster 12y ago
>Watch #gamergate on twitter for just a minute and you'll get the opposite impression. By far. I'm not seeing any harassment. On the other hand I don't see anything about ethics in game journalism either. It's just some completly stupid sjw vs anti-sjw fight.

paulhauggis 12y ago

I've been saying this for a long time. Women are not actually being singled out, they are now equal with men. But for some reason, they feel they should have special treatment. We need to find ways of combating all harassment..not just for women. About 10 years ago, I had a programming blog that talked about topics such as Mysql VS Postgres and other topics I was interested in discussing. I got death threats, harassed, and emails telling me some of the worst things in the world (including the rape of me and my family members). I never really took it seriously, but it still happened on a constant basis.

paulhauggis 12y ago
It's pretty sick when talking about equality earns me a down vote. It really tells me that nobody wants equality, they want more power for special interest groups.
- adsche 12y ago
  Didn't downvote you. But it might be because you're wrong, derailing, cite nothing, and make this about yourself. > Women are not actually being singled out, they are now equal with men. Gender pay gap? Just one example. > But for some reason, they feel they should have special treatment. Who exactly wants what special treatment? > It really tells me that nobody wants equality, they want more power for special interest groups. This just screams conspiracy theory.
  - flimflamzimzam 12y ago
    The gender pay gap has been debunked. More information: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303532704579483752909957472 http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014240527023035327045794837...
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      - flimflamzimzam 12y ago
        More debunking: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete-myth/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-ga... http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/01/no-women-don-t-make-less-money-than-men.html http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/01/no-women-do... http://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/ http://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/ http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/08/gender_pay_gap_the_familiar_line_that_women_make_77_cents_to_every_man_s.html http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/08/gende... http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/04/16/its-time-that-we-end-the-equal-pay-myth/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/04/16/its-time-tha... While it must feel convenient and comforting for those who are unsatisfied with their income to blame a societal boogeyman, there is no evidence for its existence.

tbrownaw 12y ago

Well, yeah. As much as anonymity is necessary for political dissent, whistleblowing, etc, it does come with the cost that it promotes douchebaggery. Which means the internet is hostile to everyone.

mcv 12y ago

It's worth noting that the article is generalizing from a very limited study among British celebrities and journalists. It's entirely possible that abuse and threats happen differently in different countries, and you certainly can't assume that celebrities are treated the same as non-famous people. Furthermore, the article explicitly mentions that their sample size was so small that classifying a single famous, controversial journalist as either celebrity or journalist had a dramatic impact on the results. What also matters is the nature of the abuse. Is the abuse aimed at men just as sexual/rape oriented as that aimed at women? It doesn't say. All in all, my impression is that the article selects and presents the data in a way convenient for the point it's trying to make. (That doesn't change the fact that of course all harassment and threats are bad, and they all need to be fought.)