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> But the South American nation of 2.7 million is currently embroiled in a battle with Philip Morris, which claims that legislation requiring 80 percent of ciga

> But the South American nation of 2.7 million is currently embroiled in a battle with Philip Morris, which claims that legislation requiring 80 percent of cigarette packs to be covered with health warnings is devaluing its “legally-protected trademark and brand.” From the Lean Startup methodology point of view, this is a big win, because Big Tobacco panicking validates Uruguay's strategy against smoking. All it takes is for more countries to follow suit.

ngoel36 12y ago
Is there evidence that this packaging works? I don't smoke, and the warnings certainly scare me, but I always find myself in a foreign duty-free shop shoving myself through throngs of people carrying a tower of Malboro boxes - lung cancer seems to be the last thing on their mind.
- hyperbovine 12y ago
  There is evidence: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-19/australias-plain-packaging-laws-are-a-success-studies-show/6331736 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-19/australias-plain-packa.... Also, people who carry armloads of cigarettes out of duty free do not represent the marginal cases this law is targeting.
- leojg 12y ago
  Uruguayan here. Personally, I think it works, most of people that I know dont smoke, and most of those who smoke are trying to quit it. BTW: We are 3.3 not 2.7 :S
- zorked 12y ago
  Brazil has reduced smoking by 35% since 2000 using mandatory scary pictures in the packaging, restrictions on advertisement, restrictions on public smoking and mandatory minimal prices. Whether packaging alone works, who knows. The combination of those policies is highly effective.
- elevensies 12y ago
  It can devalue the brand with or without having an effect on overall consumption, it will make their boxes look more similar to cheaper brands.
- yodsanklai 12y ago
  Once people are addicted, it's very hard for them to quit. Even after they saw relatives or friends dying from cancer. So I don't think the warnings work for them. Hopefully they prevent people (usually teenagers) from starting to smoke.
- adrusi 12y ago
  It's just one part of a larger educational campaign. The goal is to not let there be a time when people "forget", or more accurately choose to ignore, the health risks. The warnings on the packaging are mostly targeted at non-smokers who might become smokers. If they decide to buy some cigarettes, they can't avoid being reminded of the long-term effects. If they buy them regardless, every time they pull out a cigarette they're reminded of what might happen should they develop a full addiction. After a decade or two of lowered rates of new smokers, the population achieves a sort of critical mass of non-smokers that change the public attitude toward smoking. At this point banning smoking in public places, or increasing tobacco taxes, become politically tolerable.
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    - dmm 12y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_ZDQKq2F08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_ZDQKq2F08 Watch that video of tobacco executive lying before congress. Look at them perjuring themselves. Cigarettes are engineered nicotine delivery tools. Those tobacco companies not only had research labs that proved nicotine was addictive but produced research to increase the addictiveness of cigarettes. Tell me that's not something that deserves to be removed from the earth.
- nnethercote 12y ago
  The cigarette companies are fighting the plain-packaging laws tooth and nail, much harder than they have some of the other restrictions. They know that these laws have a real effect.
- InclinedPlane 12y ago
  How would you, anecdotally, notice a 25% decrease or increase in the prevalence of smoking in a country? I bet most people would have trouble noticing, even if they tried paying attention really well, and that's probably true even at a 50% change level. But that amount of change can be transformative from a business perspective. What kills smoking as a cultural norm and destroys the tobacco business isn't everyone stopping smoking overnight due to ugly packaging. That's an overly simplistic and unrealistic scenario. But if packaging changes can result in a persistent decline in the prevalence of smoking that sort of change is still enormous. Being able to cut the prevalence of smoking in half over, say, 50 years? Still a pretty big deal. But it looks like these programs are actually far more effective.
simonebrunozzi 12y ago
Not that I disagree with you, or that I don't like your comment; however, I'd like to point out that the "lean startup" methodology was invented just a few years ago, based on many things that have been in existence for far longer, and that fighting a big tobacco company isn't necessary a "startup".

ngoel36 12y ago

Is there evidence that this packaging works? I don't smoke, and the warnings certainly scare me, but I always find myself in a foreign duty-free shop shoving myself through throngs of people carrying a tower of Malboro boxes - lung cancer seems to be the last thing on their mind.

hyperbovine 12y ago
There is evidence: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-19/australias-plain-packaging-laws-are-a-success-studies-show/6331736 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-19/australias-plain-packa.... Also, people who carry armloads of cigarettes out of duty free do not represent the marginal cases this law is targeting.
leojg 12y ago
Uruguayan here. Personally, I think it works, most of people that I know dont smoke, and most of those who smoke are trying to quit it. BTW: We are 3.3 not 2.7 :S
zorked 12y ago
Brazil has reduced smoking by 35% since 2000 using mandatory scary pictures in the packaging, restrictions on advertisement, restrictions on public smoking and mandatory minimal prices. Whether packaging alone works, who knows. The combination of those policies is highly effective.
elevensies 12y ago
It can devalue the brand with or without having an effect on overall consumption, it will make their boxes look more similar to cheaper brands.
yodsanklai 12y ago
Once people are addicted, it's very hard for them to quit. Even after they saw relatives or friends dying from cancer. So I don't think the warnings work for them. Hopefully they prevent people (usually teenagers) from starting to smoke.
adrusi 12y ago
It's just one part of a larger educational campaign. The goal is to not let there be a time when people "forget", or more accurately choose to ignore, the health risks. The warnings on the packaging are mostly targeted at non-smokers who might become smokers. If they decide to buy some cigarettes, they can't avoid being reminded of the long-term effects. If they buy them regardless, every time they pull out a cigarette they're reminded of what might happen should they develop a full addiction. After a decade or two of lowered rates of new smokers, the population achieves a sort of critical mass of non-smokers that change the public attitude toward smoking. At this point banning smoking in public places, or increasing tobacco taxes, become politically tolerable.
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  - dmm 12y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_ZDQKq2F08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_ZDQKq2F08 Watch that video of tobacco executive lying before congress. Look at them perjuring themselves. Cigarettes are engineered nicotine delivery tools. Those tobacco companies not only had research labs that proved nicotine was addictive but produced research to increase the addictiveness of cigarettes. Tell me that's not something that deserves to be removed from the earth.
nnethercote 12y ago
The cigarette companies are fighting the plain-packaging laws tooth and nail, much harder than they have some of the other restrictions. They know that these laws have a real effect.
InclinedPlane 12y ago
How would you, anecdotally, notice a 25% decrease or increase in the prevalence of smoking in a country? I bet most people would have trouble noticing, even if they tried paying attention really well, and that's probably true even at a 50% change level. But that amount of change can be transformative from a business perspective. What kills smoking as a cultural norm and destroys the tobacco business isn't everyone stopping smoking overnight due to ugly packaging. That's an overly simplistic and unrealistic scenario. But if packaging changes can result in a persistent decline in the prevalence of smoking that sort of change is still enormous. Being able to cut the prevalence of smoking in half over, say, 50 years? Still a pretty big deal. But it looks like these programs are actually far more effective.

simonebrunozzi 12y ago

Not that I disagree with you, or that I don't like your comment; however, I'd like to point out that the "lean startup" methodology was invented just a few years ago, based on many things that have been in existence for far longer, and that fighting a big tobacco company isn't necessary a "startup".