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IMHO the real problem here since a long time is that exams have been demonstrated to be flawed. You can pass an exam and have no idea on the subject. The whole

by m0skit0 12y ago

IMHO the real problem here since a long time is that exams have been demonstrated to be flawed. You can pass an exam and have no idea on the subject. The whole system is flawed, we need a new education system.

Cthulhu_ 12y ago
The theory is right though, it's the people taking the exams that do it wrong - 'cramming' before an exam, cheating, pretty much doing everything to avoid actually understanding the subject.
macspoofing 12y ago
Uh huh. Like what?
- spain 12y ago
  If he knew he would have probably mentioned it.
  - JustSomeNobody 12y ago
    Unless he's currently writing the patent documents for it.
- howling 12y ago
  How about just having no grades at all? The companies/universities get to decide which applicants to choose by their own methods.
glesica 12y ago
In this case, you need to propose something better in order to be taken seriously. Even companies like Coursera still use exams and quizzes heavily, presumably because they couldn't come up with anything better. The goal is to test whether someone has learned something. The most obvious way is to ask them a series of questions to confirm that they have learned it. There are some other obvious alternatives, like having them do a project that would require having the knowledge you wanted them to learn, but those methods don't scale and are just as, if not more, vulnerable to cheating (it is common in Indian universities to hire someone to do your capstone project for you).
- m0skit0 12y ago
  Not my field, my propositions would be naive at best. But I know there are plenty of other educational systems out there.
leephillips 12y ago
We already have one. Not so new, actually. My undergraduate school[0] was founded in 1970. No required courses, tests, or grades. It's not the only one. Subjecting yourself to this torture is voluntary. [0]https://www.hampshire.edu/ https://www.hampshire.edu/

by m0skit0 12y ago

Cthulhu_ 12y ago

The theory is right though, it's the people taking the exams that do it wrong - 'cramming' before an exam, cheating, pretty much doing everything to avoid actually understanding the subject.

macspoofing 12y ago

Uh huh. Like what?

spain 12y ago
If he knew he would have probably mentioned it.
- JustSomeNobody 12y ago
  Unless he's currently writing the patent documents for it.
howling 12y ago
How about just having no grades at all? The companies/universities get to decide which applicants to choose by their own methods.

glesica 12y ago

In this case, you need to propose something better in order to be taken seriously. Even companies like Coursera still use exams and quizzes heavily, presumably because they couldn't come up with anything better. The goal is to test whether someone has learned something. The most obvious way is to ask them a series of questions to confirm that they have learned it. There are some other obvious alternatives, like having them do a project that would require having the knowledge you wanted them to learn, but those methods don't scale and are just as, if not more, vulnerable to cheating (it is common in Indian universities to hire someone to do your capstone project for you).

m0skit0 12y ago
Not my field, my propositions would be naive at best. But I know there are plenty of other educational systems out there.

leephillips 12y ago

We already have one. Not so new, actually. My undergraduate school[0] was founded in 1970. No required courses, tests, or grades. It's not the only one. Subjecting yourself to this torture is voluntary. [0]https://www.hampshire.edu/ https://www.hampshire.edu/