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"The Democrats had the votes to pass any bill they wanted." Do you honestly believe Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, Joe Lieberman and Evan Bayh (among many others

"The Democrats had the votes to pass any bill they wanted." Do you honestly believe Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, Joe Lieberman and Evan Bayh (among many others) would vote for any bill Obama wanted? That's not factually true, so I'm wondering why you believe it.

Turing_Machine 12y ago
Those people aren't "Republicans".
- Turing_Machine 12y ago
  I also noticed the attempt to change what I actually said -- "any bill they wanted" to "any bill Obama wanted", which I didn't say. They had a majority in both Houses and could thus have passed any bill they, collectively, wanted (in fact they did it without a single Republican vote, and without allowing any amendments or even very much debate). They passed that bill. Obama then signed that bill. That, my friend, is factually correct. Why this desperate attempt to make it somehow the fault of "Republicans"? How about taking some responsibility?
  - cbd1984 12y ago
    > Why this desperate attempt to make it somehow the fault of "Republicans"? They're the ones trying to make something created by the Heritage Foundation seem "Socialist".
    - Turing_Machine 12y ago
      Not actually relevant. They're still not the ones who wrote, passed, and signed the bill. The Democrats did.
      - cbd1984 12y ago
        It's entirely relevant as long as it's part of America's political discourse. Why won't the GOP take responsibility for what its behaviors are doing?
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- Turing_Machine 12y ago
  Did you think modding this down would somehow magically turn Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, Joe Lieberman and Evan Bayh into "Republicans"? I'm really curious.
yrro 12y ago
Are these people Democrats who would not vote as instructed by the party leader or something? Pardon my ignorance, I'm from the UK where MPs who do not vote as instructed by the whips (enforcers) have the whip withdrawn (are expelled from the party).
Shivetya 12y ago
Yes. They have already proven they will. The Democrat party had a much tighter reign on its people in 2008 through 2010. The simple matter was, you vote along the party line or we will not support your reelection nor will you serve on any committee of consequence. The Republican party is a bit more fractured, which is how all political parties should be. People should be scared of a political party where dissent is heavily punished and nearly absent. The reason is because it expressly puts the party before the people. Fortunately the voters have three times shown the error of that thinking and the resulting control of Congress is the result. As for the office of the Presidency, politics of identity (race/sex/etc) has become the norm and unless the Republicans participate in that type electioneering they won't get into the White House.

Turing_Machine 12y ago

Those people aren't "Republicans".

Turing_Machine 12y ago
I also noticed the attempt to change what I actually said -- "any bill they wanted" to "any bill Obama wanted", which I didn't say. They had a majority in both Houses and could thus have passed any bill they, collectively, wanted (in fact they did it without a single Republican vote, and without allowing any amendments or even very much debate). They passed that bill. Obama then signed that bill. That, my friend, is factually correct. Why this desperate attempt to make it somehow the fault of "Republicans"? How about taking some responsibility?
- cbd1984 12y ago
  > Why this desperate attempt to make it somehow the fault of "Republicans"? They're the ones trying to make something created by the Heritage Foundation seem "Socialist".
  - Turing_Machine 12y ago
    Not actually relevant. They're still not the ones who wrote, passed, and signed the bill. The Democrats did.
    - cbd1984 12y ago
      It's entirely relevant as long as it's part of America's political discourse. Why won't the GOP take responsibility for what its behaviors are doing?
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Turing_Machine 12y ago
Did you think modding this down would somehow magically turn Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, Joe Lieberman and Evan Bayh into "Republicans"? I'm really curious.

yrro 12y ago

Are these people Democrats who would not vote as instructed by the party leader or something? Pardon my ignorance, I'm from the UK where MPs who do not vote as instructed by the whips (enforcers) have the whip withdrawn (are expelled from the party).

Shivetya 12y ago

Yes. They have already proven they will. The Democrat party had a much tighter reign on its people in 2008 through 2010. The simple matter was, you vote along the party line or we will not support your reelection nor will you serve on any committee of consequence. The Republican party is a bit more fractured, which is how all political parties should be. People should be scared of a political party where dissent is heavily punished and nearly absent. The reason is because it expressly puts the party before the people. Fortunately the voters have three times shown the error of that thinking and the resulting control of Congress is the result. As for the office of the Presidency, politics of identity (race/sex/etc) has become the norm and unless the Republicans participate in that type electioneering they won't get into the White House.