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I love Tesla, but Musk's starting to smell a little like Peter Molyneux -- promising the world and delivering little. Get the Model X out (2 years late and coun

I love Tesla, but Musk's starting to smell a little like Peter Molyneux -- promising the world and delivering little. Get the Model X out (2 years late and counting...)

waterlesscloud 12y ago
You've got to have ridiculously unrealistic standards to say SpaceX and Tesla have "delivered little".
selectout 12y ago
In this instance though, it's more of selective delivering. He is still delivering on many of these features and "futuristic updates" just not on 1 specific piece of hardware.
godgod 12y ago
I love Tesla, SpaceX and Solarcity and what E Musk is doing in these areas but I am strongly against cars that drive you around. This is all a push to limit our freedoms. What if I want to go for a drive? Soon we won't be able to drive cars because all cars will be automated.
shkkmo 12y ago
I don't that comparison is apt. One delayed product is not nearly the same as a long sequence of products that were launched without many promised features.
mikeash 12y ago
If you get past the tremendously misleading headline, you'd see that his statement isn't so crazy. All this article is about is Musk saying that Tesla Model S firmware version 7, out within a few months, will include full "autopilot" functionality, which means traffic-aware cruise control and automatic lane keeping. The former is already enabled (I just used it half an hour ago) and the latter has been demoed extensively and there's no reason to doubt it will ship when claimed.
- aetherson 12y ago
  I don't think that's what the article says. I mean, maybe that's what it actually means, but what it says is the cars will "navigate" themselves. It uses the term a bunch of times. Nowhere does it hint that "navigation" is limited to "not rear-ending the car in front of you and staying in the lane," and I don't think that's the plain reading of "company drivers letting the car navigate the West Coast largely unassisted." It's certainly not the plain reading of "the self-driving technology was 'technically capable of going from parking lot to parking lot,' meaning through cities as well." If what all that actually means is "adaptive cruise control + lane keeping," then either the GP poster is right that Musk is overpromising and underdelivering, or the journalist completely misconstrued Musk.
  - mikeash 12y ago
    All Musk promised in the near term for autonomous driving is lane keeping. Everything else was either wishy-washy "eventually, someday" or imagined by the article's author.
  - clarky07 12y ago
    actually it pretty much does - "But, he said, Tesla will disable the autopilot when cars are not on highways or major roads, citing safety concerns." translation, only on the high, and basically really nice and fancy cruise control that they think can and will eventually do more but not right now.
argc 12y ago
If you think Musk hasn't done anything then you haven't been paying attention.
itsbits 12y ago
PayPal, Solar City, SpaceX, Tesla Motors..

I love Tesla, but Musk's starting to smell a little like Peter Molyneux -- promising the world and delivering little. Get the Model X out (2 years late and counting...)

waterlesscloud 12y ago

You've got to have ridiculously unrealistic standards to say SpaceX and Tesla have "delivered little".

selectout 12y ago

In this instance though, it's more of selective delivering. He is still delivering on many of these features and "futuristic updates" just not on 1 specific piece of hardware.

godgod 12y ago

I love Tesla, SpaceX and Solarcity and what E Musk is doing in these areas but I am strongly against cars that drive you around. This is all a push to limit our freedoms. What if I want to go for a drive? Soon we won't be able to drive cars because all cars will be automated.

shkkmo 12y ago

I don't that comparison is apt. One delayed product is not nearly the same as a long sequence of products that were launched without many promised features.

mikeash 12y ago

If you get past the tremendously misleading headline, you'd see that his statement isn't so crazy. All this article is about is Musk saying that Tesla Model S firmware version 7, out within a few months, will include full "autopilot" functionality, which means traffic-aware cruise control and automatic lane keeping. The former is already enabled (I just used it half an hour ago) and the latter has been demoed extensively and there's no reason to doubt it will ship when claimed.

aetherson 12y ago
I don't think that's what the article says. I mean, maybe that's what it actually means, but what it says is the cars will "navigate" themselves. It uses the term a bunch of times. Nowhere does it hint that "navigation" is limited to "not rear-ending the car in front of you and staying in the lane," and I don't think that's the plain reading of "company drivers letting the car navigate the West Coast largely unassisted." It's certainly not the plain reading of "the self-driving technology was 'technically capable of going from parking lot to parking lot,' meaning through cities as well." If what all that actually means is "adaptive cruise control + lane keeping," then either the GP poster is right that Musk is overpromising and underdelivering, or the journalist completely misconstrued Musk.
- mikeash 12y ago
  All Musk promised in the near term for autonomous driving is lane keeping. Everything else was either wishy-washy "eventually, someday" or imagined by the article's author.
- clarky07 12y ago
  actually it pretty much does - "But, he said, Tesla will disable the autopilot when cars are not on highways or major roads, citing safety concerns." translation, only on the high, and basically really nice and fancy cruise control that they think can and will eventually do more but not right now.

argc 12y ago

If you think Musk hasn't done anything then you haven't been paying attention.

itsbits 12y ago

PayPal, Solar City, SpaceX, Tesla Motors..