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Another reason: "You're primarily interested with salary." Sounds like this company prides itself on overworking their employees and paying them less than what

Another reason: "You're primarily interested with salary." Sounds like this company prides itself on overworking their employees and paying them less than what they're worth. (Which is what a lot of companies do, but they aren't proud of it.)

zamalek 12y ago
"Something you can be proud of when you're old and reflecting on your life." Yes, I would love to look back at my life and reminisce about all the hours spent at a desk and how my pension is now unable to put food on the table.
Dewie 12y ago
I thought a salary was... you know... the primary thing that separates "a job" from "doing whatever the hell you want". But I guess I'm just not passionate enough to be a slave to other people's enterprises.
- some_furry 12y ago
  > But I guess I'm just not passionate enough to be a slave to other people's enterprises. I spend a lot of time working on open source. (I never do so at my dayjob.) The second an open source project demands my time, I shut my computer down and go for a walk. Out of spite, to be truthful. Whatever is wrong, it can wait. I've rarely ever accepted a request from an employer to stay late to work on something. And when I did, I regretted it later. I'm passionate by most peoples' standards, and even I wouldn't subject myself to that treatment. I can't even call people willing to do this masochistic.
sp332 12y ago
Especially when they say they expect you to do the best work of your life.
notahacker 12y ago
At least they offer a salary. I'm appalled by the number of startups that think "lunch and expenses" is acceptable compensation for up to 3 months of full time work with a possibility of a salaried position at the end (Bonus points for boasting about funding and how nice the offices are in the ad and expecting the unpaid lackey to meet certain minimum academic standards and have prior commercial experience)
- some_furry 12y ago
  That's horrible. I've spent many a days at events (e.g. Code For Orlando) where you're expected to work for free, but they provide food, for one day on a volunteer basis to better your city. But that's the clincher: It's only one day (on a weekend so it doesn't compete with your dayjob interests), it's completely volunteer, and it's fun. A soul-draining corporate job without a salary? I shudder.
akuma73 12y ago
Employers pay their employees exactly what they're worth - by definition. If an employee is dissatisfied with their pay, they have the option to either negotiate a higher salary or find another job with higher pay.
- littletimmy 12y ago
  Exactly why I think black people are worthless. After all, at one time black people worked for free! (/s)
- dragontamer 12y ago
  Therefore, Women are only approximately 78% of a man. There are issues when we take the "Market is always right" approach to defining our morals btw. I prefer if our morals came from another power.
- EliRivers 12y ago
  Employers pay their employees exactly what they're worth - by definition. That makes no sense to me. When I hire someone, it's in the expectation that the extra money they bring in is more than what they're being paid. They're worth what they bring in, and because I want to make a profit, I pay them a bit less than that.
- gipp 12y ago
  There's a tremendous amount of idealization involved there -- that the cost of renegotiation/finding a new job is zero (it's not), that no systematic effects outside the market exist lowering salaries (they do), etc. As an approximation, employees are paid what they're worth. It's an approximation, not definitional.
  - tiagocesar 12y ago
    Nuff said.
- chimprich 12y ago
  Your two sentences rather contradict each other - if an employee is already being paid what they're worth they should be unable to negotiate a higher salary or find a higher-paid job.

zamalek 12y ago

"Something you can be proud of when you're old and reflecting on your life." Yes, I would love to look back at my life and reminisce about all the hours spent at a desk and how my pension is now unable to put food on the table.

Dewie 12y ago

I thought a salary was... you know... the primary thing that separates "a job" from "doing whatever the hell you want". But I guess I'm just not passionate enough to be a slave to other people's enterprises.

some_furry 12y ago
> But I guess I'm just not passionate enough to be a slave to other people's enterprises. I spend a lot of time working on open source. (I never do so at my dayjob.) The second an open source project demands my time, I shut my computer down and go for a walk. Out of spite, to be truthful. Whatever is wrong, it can wait. I've rarely ever accepted a request from an employer to stay late to work on something. And when I did, I regretted it later. I'm passionate by most peoples' standards, and even I wouldn't subject myself to that treatment. I can't even call people willing to do this masochistic.

sp332 12y ago

Especially when they say they expect you to do the best work of your life.

notahacker 12y ago

At least they offer a salary. I'm appalled by the number of startups that think "lunch and expenses" is acceptable compensation for up to 3 months of full time work with a possibility of a salaried position at the end (Bonus points for boasting about funding and how nice the offices are in the ad and expecting the unpaid lackey to meet certain minimum academic standards and have prior commercial experience)

some_furry 12y ago
That's horrible. I've spent many a days at events (e.g. Code For Orlando) where you're expected to work for free, but they provide food, for one day on a volunteer basis to better your city. But that's the clincher: It's only one day (on a weekend so it doesn't compete with your dayjob interests), it's completely volunteer, and it's fun. A soul-draining corporate job without a salary? I shudder.

akuma73 12y ago

Employers pay their employees exactly what they're worth - by definition. If an employee is dissatisfied with their pay, they have the option to either negotiate a higher salary or find another job with higher pay.

littletimmy 12y ago
Exactly why I think black people are worthless. After all, at one time black people worked for free! (/s)
dragontamer 12y ago
Therefore, Women are only approximately 78% of a man. There are issues when we take the "Market is always right" approach to defining our morals btw. I prefer if our morals came from another power.
EliRivers 12y ago
Employers pay their employees exactly what they're worth - by definition. That makes no sense to me. When I hire someone, it's in the expectation that the extra money they bring in is more than what they're being paid. They're worth what they bring in, and because I want to make a profit, I pay them a bit less than that.
gipp 12y ago
There's a tremendous amount of idealization involved there -- that the cost of renegotiation/finding a new job is zero (it's not), that no systematic effects outside the market exist lowering salaries (they do), etc. As an approximation, employees are paid what they're worth. It's an approximation, not definitional.
- tiagocesar 12y ago
  Nuff said.
chimprich 12y ago
Your two sentences rather contradict each other - if an employee is already being paid what they're worth they should be unable to negotiate a higher salary or find a higher-paid job.