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Let me see if I have this straight: - Keeps source closed. Is therefore evil. - Opens source. Must be up to no good, because is evil. This might qualify for

Let me see if I have this straight: - Keeps source closed. Is therefore evil. - Opens source. Must be up to no good, because is evil. This might qualify for the original meaning of, begging the question...

viraptor 12y ago
Considering the company pretty much defined EEE as we know it and is known for lying about competition, I don't think being cautious is a bad thing. I'm happy they're releasing things and trying to be more open, but... let's see where it goes before we start celebrating.
Qwertious 12y ago
They're considered evil not because they kept source closed, but because they actively abused their monopoly to illegally malign their competition. That's what the problem with EEE is. They're open-sourcing stuff (which will in theory make it harder for them to do it in the future), but that doesn't mean they've repented and have good intentions. They're open-sourcing their software purely out of self-interest, and people are wondering what exactly this self-interest is, and are being quite reasonably cautious.
gonvaled 12y ago
Well, they will need to do a bit more than that to change the prevailing perception that they are up to no good (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish and http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/02/ballmer_linux_is_a_cancer http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/02/ballmer_linux_is_a_c...) And you rightly ask: how much time needs to pass by to forget about all that, and judge MS by its current behaviour? The answer is very subjective, but for me it is something like "a bazillion years".
- XzetaU8 12y ago
  If by "judge MS by its Current behaviour" you mean the strong ties A.K.A. Strategic partnership with the Government/NSA then I'm afraid the answer is...never. http://www.computerworld.com/article/2521809/government-it/nsa-helped-with-windows-7-development.html http://www.computerworld.com/article/2521809/government-it/n... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-c...
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aikah 12y ago
Whatever MS does in the future doesn't erase all the shit they did to get where they are today. They were basically behaving like mobsters around the planet,no more no less with the blessing of the US government, and still are.A few opensource libraries here and there won't change that fact.

viraptor 12y ago

Considering the company pretty much defined EEE as we know it and is known for lying about competition, I don't think being cautious is a bad thing. I'm happy they're releasing things and trying to be more open, but... let's see where it goes before we start celebrating.

Qwertious 12y ago

They're considered evil not because they kept source closed, but because they actively abused their monopoly to illegally malign their competition. That's what the problem with EEE is. They're open-sourcing stuff (which will in theory make it harder for them to do it in the future), but that doesn't mean they've repented and have good intentions. They're open-sourcing their software purely out of self-interest, and people are wondering what exactly this self-interest is, and are being quite reasonably cautious.

gonvaled 12y ago

Well, they will need to do a bit more than that to change the prevailing perception that they are up to no good (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish and http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/02/ballmer_linux_is_a_cancer http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/02/ballmer_linux_is_a_c...) And you rightly ask: how much time needs to pass by to forget about all that, and judge MS by its current behaviour? The answer is very subjective, but for me it is something like "a bazillion years".

XzetaU8 12y ago
If by "judge MS by its Current behaviour" you mean the strong ties A.K.A. Strategic partnership with the Government/NSA then I'm afraid the answer is...never. http://www.computerworld.com/article/2521809/government-it/nsa-helped-with-windows-7-development.html http://www.computerworld.com/article/2521809/government-it/n... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-c...
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aikah 12y ago

Whatever MS does in the future doesn't erase all the shit they did to get where they are today. They were basically behaving like mobsters around the planet,no more no less with the blessing of the US government, and still are.A few opensource libraries here and there won't change that fact.