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Please read the article. Whether you're guilty or not, you can be made guilty on various other charges from a simple conversation.

snowwrestler 12y ago
But only if you lie during that conversation. Edit: this is literally what happens in Ken's hypothetical story. If the subject didn't lie about the phone call, they couldn't be charged with a false statement.
- rosser 12y ago
  So ... what, be honest and incriminate yourself? No. LAWYER UP AND SHUT UP.
- stavrianos 12y ago
  Which you may be deliberately manipulated into.
- hoaTeRo 12y ago
  See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc#t=1279 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc#t=1279 If the prosecutor wants to push it, almost any interaction with the police can be made to seem incriminating.
  - bigiain 12y ago
    And so it's been for half a millennium:' "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." – Cardinal Richelieu, 1641 It seems law enforcement never really changes.
- dagw 12y ago
  Maybe he honestly didn't think he was lying, since he never discussed the case on the phone call. Someone told him it was happening and he hung up the phone. Most people wouldn't necessarily consider that talking about something.
- mikeash 12y ago
  The standard English version of "lie" is to state something which you believe to be untrue. The police version of "lie" is to state something that actually is untrue. The difference is important because human memory is fallible. You can "lie to the police" while saying nothing but what you believe to be the truth. "It's OK to talk to the police as long as you don't lie" may be true, but it's also completely useless, because it's impossible to guarantee.
pdkl95 12y ago
Even worse, usually you cannot even submit what you said as evidence, because if YOU ask officer to repeat what you said, the judge can expunge the testimony because it is hearsay (double indirection). Of course, the officer can be asked their side of the story, which will be accepted as an eyewitness (single indirection). So anything you say can (and will) be used against you y the prosecution, but almost never in your own defense. Many people understand at least the basic concept that your words can be used against you, but the fact that those same words cannot help you in most cases is not addressed very often. (this topic is discussed in the famous - and VERY HIGHLY recommended viewing - video that hoaTeRo linked to, "Dont(sic) Talk to Police" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc ) )

snowwrestler 12y ago

But only if you lie during that conversation. Edit: this is literally what happens in Ken's hypothetical story. If the subject didn't lie about the phone call, they couldn't be charged with a false statement.

rosser 12y ago
So ... what, be honest and incriminate yourself? No. LAWYER UP AND SHUT UP.
stavrianos 12y ago
Which you may be deliberately manipulated into.
hoaTeRo 12y ago
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc#t=1279 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc#t=1279 If the prosecutor wants to push it, almost any interaction with the police can be made to seem incriminating.
- bigiain 12y ago
  And so it's been for half a millennium:' "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." – Cardinal Richelieu, 1641 It seems law enforcement never really changes.
dagw 12y ago
Maybe he honestly didn't think he was lying, since he never discussed the case on the phone call. Someone told him it was happening and he hung up the phone. Most people wouldn't necessarily consider that talking about something.
mikeash 12y ago
The standard English version of "lie" is to state something which you believe to be untrue. The police version of "lie" is to state something that actually is untrue. The difference is important because human memory is fallible. You can "lie to the police" while saying nothing but what you believe to be the truth. "It's OK to talk to the police as long as you don't lie" may be true, but it's also completely useless, because it's impossible to guarantee.

pdkl95 12y ago

Even worse, usually you cannot even submit what you said as evidence, because if YOU ask officer to repeat what you said, the judge can expunge the testimony because it is hearsay (double indirection). Of course, the officer can be asked their side of the story, which will be accepted as an eyewitness (single indirection). So anything you say can (and will) be used against you y the prosecution, but almost never in your own defense. Many people understand at least the basic concept that your words can be used against you, but the fact that those same words cannot help you in most cases is not addressed very often. (this topic is discussed in the famous - and VERY HIGHLY recommended viewing - video that hoaTeRo linked to, "Dont(sic) Talk to Police" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc ) )