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Wouldn't that use be both against Spotify's EULA [0] and be illegal without a PPL [1] (in the UK at least). [0] https://www.spotify.com/uk/legal/end-user-agree

Wouldn't that use be both against Spotify's EULA [0] and be illegal without a PPL [1] (in the UK at least). [0] https://www.spotify.com/uk/legal/end-user-agreement/#s4 https://www.spotify.com/uk/legal/end-user-agreement/#s4 [1] http://www.ppluk.com/ http://www.ppluk.com/

grrowl 12y ago
In terms of small bars, hairdressers, co-working spaces, yoga studios, mik bars, etc... probably, but no one's going to tackle the small fries. Large chains tend to have their own corporate-mandated "radio" playlists for this reason, though (supermarkets and gyms)
- goatforce5 12y ago
  From what I recall, the PPL is pretty aggressive about going after small venues. e.g.: http://www.luton-dunstable.co.uk/Dunstable-nightclub-Ivory-Lounge-banned-playing/story-26131134-detail/story.html http://www.luton-dunstable.co.uk/Dunstable-nightclub-Ivory-L...
geoelectric 12y ago
Yes, but at worst bars and venues like this end up paying the flat fee to the recording cartels to basically have unlimited plays of whatever they want and none of that really goes to the artists in any significant way. And in most cases, it doesn't really come up until they're audited at least once, which might be never.
- jakejake 12y ago
  I know that calling them recording cartels is making a certain point, but the licensing companies in the US are ASCAP and BMI and they don't really have anything to do with actually recording music. They collect royalties on behalf of the artists. I happen to know because I was once in a band and the only money I really ever received for our recordings after the label advance was from ASCAP. Even years later I get a check every few months for a few bucks, whereas I get nothing from spotify or any other music service (even though my music is on there). So at least for me, I appreciate ASCAP and BMI, even though it is not a lot of money, they are the only ones who have ever paid me royalties as an artist - and their service is free to all artists no matter how small.
  - eru 12y ago
    In Germany, you'd have to pay the cartel for performing YOUR OWN music.
  - gcb0 12y ago
    Spotify pays them, they get yet another cut and pays you. at least that's how it goes for my friends receiving via bmi
  - geoelectric 12y ago
    Fair enough, sorry for being quite so editorial about it. My impression was that only an extremely small percentage goes to actual artists, and probably weighted towards popular ones in much the same way Spotify does.
  - detail3 12y ago
    Their service isn't free, they charge an administration fee of 3-7% (depending upon the organization we are talking about). It just comes out before you get your check. They are 'non-profits' but so is the NFL.
nl 12y ago
Yes[1]. It still happens though. I can't find any instances any stories being written about this condition being enforced. [1] https://support.spotify.com/au/learn-more/faq/#!/article/public-usage https://support.spotify.com/au/learn-more/faq/#!/article/pub...
jakezorx 12y ago
As a side note, there is infact a "commercial"-version of Spotify[0], even though i'm not sure whether its available outside of Sweden yet. [0]https://www.soundtrackyourbrand.com/ https://www.soundtrackyourbrand.com/

grrowl 12y ago

In terms of small bars, hairdressers, co-working spaces, yoga studios, mik bars, etc... probably, but no one's going to tackle the small fries. Large chains tend to have their own corporate-mandated "radio" playlists for this reason, though (supermarkets and gyms)

goatforce5 12y ago
From what I recall, the PPL is pretty aggressive about going after small venues. e.g.: http://www.luton-dunstable.co.uk/Dunstable-nightclub-Ivory-Lounge-banned-playing/story-26131134-detail/story.html http://www.luton-dunstable.co.uk/Dunstable-nightclub-Ivory-L...

geoelectric 12y ago

Yes, but at worst bars and venues like this end up paying the flat fee to the recording cartels to basically have unlimited plays of whatever they want and none of that really goes to the artists in any significant way. And in most cases, it doesn't really come up until they're audited at least once, which might be never.

jakejake 12y ago
I know that calling them recording cartels is making a certain point, but the licensing companies in the US are ASCAP and BMI and they don't really have anything to do with actually recording music. They collect royalties on behalf of the artists. I happen to know because I was once in a band and the only money I really ever received for our recordings after the label advance was from ASCAP. Even years later I get a check every few months for a few bucks, whereas I get nothing from spotify or any other music service (even though my music is on there). So at least for me, I appreciate ASCAP and BMI, even though it is not a lot of money, they are the only ones who have ever paid me royalties as an artist - and their service is free to all artists no matter how small.
- eru 12y ago
  In Germany, you'd have to pay the cartel for performing YOUR OWN music.
- gcb0 12y ago
  Spotify pays them, they get yet another cut and pays you. at least that's how it goes for my friends receiving via bmi
- geoelectric 12y ago
  Fair enough, sorry for being quite so editorial about it. My impression was that only an extremely small percentage goes to actual artists, and probably weighted towards popular ones in much the same way Spotify does.
- detail3 12y ago
  Their service isn't free, they charge an administration fee of 3-7% (depending upon the organization we are talking about). It just comes out before you get your check. They are 'non-profits' but so is the NFL.

nl 12y ago

Yes[1]. It still happens though. I can't find any instances any stories being written about this condition being enforced. [1] https://support.spotify.com/au/learn-more/faq/#!/article/public-usage https://support.spotify.com/au/learn-more/faq/#!/article/pub...

jakezorx 12y ago

As a side note, there is infact a "commercial"-version of Spotify[0], even though i'm not sure whether its available outside of Sweden yet. [0]https://www.soundtrackyourbrand.com/ https://www.soundtrackyourbrand.com/