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Show HN: Focus on what matters – who should do what

34 points by bujatt 12y ago

jasode 12y ago
Hmmm... Hungarian notation for task delegation. Interesting. In any case, this wouldn't work for me because it's missing a critical declaration of WHEN. Missed deadlines are more often discussed in failed projects' post mortems rather than wondering WHO dropped the ball. I would've used '@' for WHEN and maybe '~' for WHO. But maybe we're getting into sigil hell.
- bujatt 12y ago
  (I am one of the guys behind opp.io) What's Hungarian about it? :) When is definitely important, we have it on our roadmap. We picked @who because of @mention. Does it come natural to you?
  - kaoD 12y ago
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation > Hungarian notation is an identifier naming convention in computer programming, in which the name of a variable or function indicates its type or intended use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation#Relation_to_sigils http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation#Relation_to_... > For example, in some forms of BASIC, name$ names a string and count% names an integer. The major difference [...] is that sigils declare the type of the variable to the compiler, while Hungarian notation is purely a naming scheme not enforced by the compiler. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigil_(computer_programming) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigil_(computer_programming)
    - bujatt 12y ago
      Wow, didn't know that. Thanks for sharing, I really learned a lot!
    - collyw 12y ago
      One place I worked had a coding standard based around hungarian notation. For some reason I hated it, but I kind of like Perl's sigils.
    - fiatjaf 12y ago
      So it's like latin declinations?
      - kaoD 12y ago
        I guess you mean declension. Are you a Spanish speaker? It's a mistake I usually make too, being the expected translation of "declinación". Yes, it's comparable to declension, though Hungarian notation is prefix and not part of the syntax, while declension is postfix and has syntactic meaning.
        fiatjaf 12y ago
        Yes, that's what I meant. I'm a Portuguese speaker ("declinação"). I should have checked the correct translation. Thank you for understanding what I meant and correcting me.
        kaoD 12y ago
        I'm always afraid to come across as pedant or judgmental, but I enjoy being corrected to improve my English so I posted it anyways :) Glad it helped.
- holychiz 12y ago
  +1 for WHEN. I like the ~ for When since a lot of dates are ballpark estimates, at least in planning stage.
  - jasode 12y ago
    Choice of symbol has some degree of being arbitrary and I only preferred '@' for when because we (at least in USA) often specify time that way. E.g. "meet for lunch @2:00pm". However, I can see that '@' might feel like a fragment of an email address John@xyz.com. The tilde '~' because UNIX/Linux alias for user's home directory. Hence the "who". I do admit that's a meaningless reason for any mainstream audience.
    - bujatt 12y ago
      I also often use @ for specifying location. See you @office, @home.
  - bujatt 12y ago
    How do you feel about '>' as WHEN indicator?
ErikAugust 12y ago
"should" - not the best verb, but cool idea nonetheless.
- bujatt 12y ago
  Erik, how would you phrase it?
  - humanarity 12y ago
    "x should y" ==> "it (modal:may|might|would|could|will)? work(s)? (for|(for us)? if) x (to)? y" / "x y-ing works" Example: "@Peter should !find all copies of the #cat dossiers &across the datacube" ==> "It works if @Peter !find all copies of the #cat dossiers &across the datacube." :) should implies "duty, obligaition or correctness" while "it works" connotes shared mission, and implies the hearer's choice to act or not, which is correct and respects their agency. "Duty, obligation or correctness" could easily trigger ego responses leading to inefficient conflicts. BTW -- I love the straight up "No." it would be cool if you could touch and hold "No" to get a list of weasel words and excuses!! Or just a simple "I decline." haha :)
    - bbcbasic 12y ago
      What if the receiver chooses what tone of language they want to receive in. E.g. "terse" or "nice" options.
      - humanarity 12y ago
        Nice ! ... an app idea in that somewhere... :)
meritt 12y ago
I don't agree with the verb tagging personally. It's irrelevant, isn't? Someone need to "do" something. The particular word choice doesn't impact the necessity. @who is the assignment #what is the task name @when is the due-date !do is pointless to specify.
- jackweirdy 12y ago
  `do` isn’t always the verb, though. @JoeBloggs should !do #CakeBaking vs @JoeBloggs should !bake #Cake EDIT: oh, I see, you tagging verbs more generally. I disagree. It adds context. @JoeBloggs #Contract by Friday. What about the contract? Review, sign, amend, shred?
  - meritt 12y ago
    You include the word like normal, I'm saying tagging it isn't going to be helpful in the long run. Not to mention you're already including the word "should" and now a bang too? Could have very simple language detection to identify the verb if that's the goal. Tagging things implicitly groups them and imbues the ability to search/filter/organize by them. I just have a hard time envisioning a useful scenario in which you're looking at "Show me the # of taks by verb used"
    - bujatt 12y ago
      While we use the word "should" on the landing page, in conversations is more flexible, hence the bang. "@Meritt, can you please !inform the #delivery"
forgottenpass 12y ago
@opp.io should !describe the #product before dumping you to a signup screen. I'm not grabbing headphones just to watch a video slowly describe what can be conveyed in text.
- bujatt 12y ago
  You are right. We got rid of more detailed explanations because it converted better, but we will try showing more of the product. Attila
  - forgottenpass 12y ago
    it converted better Nevermind me then, I will never understand people.
soneca 12y ago
I am also for @who should !do #what ~when I think you have a good idea for "one time only, not planned tasks". Don't try to make this the next project management tool. Just a syntax/app to handle last minute, unplanned and delegation tasks.
romerro 12y ago
amazing :) keep it up!
fiatjaf 12y ago
I liked the notation thing, are there any other examples of applications that work like this, with a notation system that normal people can use (and do not feel like they are programming)?
humanarity 12y ago
This is the best simplest interface for getting things done I've seen. Awesome! Are you open sourcing this?
- bujatt 12y ago
  hi humanarity, not in the short term, but will allow API integrations.

34 points by bujatt 12y ago

Hmmm... Hungarian notation for task delegation. Interesting. In any case, this wouldn't work for me because it's missing a critical declaration of WHEN. Missed deadlines are more often discussed in failed projects' post mortems rather than wondering WHO dropped the ball. I would've used '@' for WHEN and maybe '~' for WHO. But maybe we're getting into sigil hell.

bujatt 12y ago
(I am one of the guys behind opp.io) What's Hungarian about it? :) When is definitely important, we have it on our roadmap. We picked @who because of @mention. Does it come natural to you?
- kaoD 12y ago
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation > Hungarian notation is an identifier naming convention in computer programming, in which the name of a variable or function indicates its type or intended use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation#Relation_to_sigils http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation#Relation_to_... > For example, in some forms of BASIC, name$ names a string and count% names an integer. The major difference [...] is that sigils declare the type of the variable to the compiler, while Hungarian notation is purely a naming scheme not enforced by the compiler. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigil_(computer_programming) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigil_(computer_programming)
  - bujatt 12y ago
    Wow, didn't know that. Thanks for sharing, I really learned a lot!
  - collyw 12y ago
    One place I worked had a coding standard based around hungarian notation. For some reason I hated it, but I kind of like Perl's sigils.
  - fiatjaf 12y ago
    So it's like latin declinations?
    - kaoD 12y ago
      I guess you mean declension. Are you a Spanish speaker? It's a mistake I usually make too, being the expected translation of "declinación". Yes, it's comparable to declension, though Hungarian notation is prefix and not part of the syntax, while declension is postfix and has syntactic meaning.
      - fiatjaf 12y ago
        Yes, that's what I meant. I'm a Portuguese speaker ("declinação"). I should have checked the correct translation. Thank you for understanding what I meant and correcting me.
        kaoD 12y ago
        I'm always afraid to come across as pedant or judgmental, but I enjoy being corrected to improve my English so I posted it anyways :) Glad it helped.
holychiz 12y ago
+1 for WHEN. I like the ~ for When since a lot of dates are ballpark estimates, at least in planning stage.
- jasode 12y ago
  Choice of symbol has some degree of being arbitrary and I only preferred '@' for when because we (at least in USA) often specify time that way. E.g. "meet for lunch @2:00pm". However, I can see that '@' might feel like a fragment of an email address John@xyz.com. The tilde '~' because UNIX/Linux alias for user's home directory. Hence the "who". I do admit that's a meaningless reason for any mainstream audience.
  - bujatt 12y ago
    I also often use @ for specifying location. See you @office, @home.
- bujatt 12y ago
  How do you feel about '>' as WHEN indicator?

ErikAugust 12y ago

"should" - not the best verb, but cool idea nonetheless.

bujatt 12y ago
Erik, how would you phrase it?
- humanarity 12y ago
  "x should y" ==> "it (modal:may|might|would|could|will)? work(s)? (for|(for us)? if) x (to)? y" / "x y-ing works" Example: "@Peter should !find all copies of the #cat dossiers &across the datacube" ==> "It works if @Peter !find all copies of the #cat dossiers &across the datacube." :) should implies "duty, obligaition or correctness" while "it works" connotes shared mission, and implies the hearer's choice to act or not, which is correct and respects their agency. "Duty, obligation or correctness" could easily trigger ego responses leading to inefficient conflicts. BTW -- I love the straight up "No." it would be cool if you could touch and hold "No" to get a list of weasel words and excuses!! Or just a simple "I decline." haha :)
  - bbcbasic 12y ago
    What if the receiver chooses what tone of language they want to receive in. E.g. "terse" or "nice" options.
    - humanarity 12y ago
      Nice ! ... an app idea in that somewhere... :)

meritt 12y ago

I don't agree with the verb tagging personally. It's irrelevant, isn't? Someone need to "do" something. The particular word choice doesn't impact the necessity. @who is the assignment #what is the task name @when is the due-date !do is pointless to specify.

jackweirdy 12y ago
`do` isn’t always the verb, though. @JoeBloggs should !do #CakeBaking vs @JoeBloggs should !bake #Cake EDIT: oh, I see, you tagging verbs more generally. I disagree. It adds context. @JoeBloggs #Contract by Friday. What about the contract? Review, sign, amend, shred?
- meritt 12y ago
  You include the word like normal, I'm saying tagging it isn't going to be helpful in the long run. Not to mention you're already including the word "should" and now a bang too? Could have very simple language detection to identify the verb if that's the goal. Tagging things implicitly groups them and imbues the ability to search/filter/organize by them. I just have a hard time envisioning a useful scenario in which you're looking at "Show me the # of taks by verb used"
  - bujatt 12y ago
    While we use the word "should" on the landing page, in conversations is more flexible, hence the bang. "@Meritt, can you please !inform the #delivery"

forgottenpass 12y ago

@opp.io should !describe the #product before dumping you to a signup screen. I'm not grabbing headphones just to watch a video slowly describe what can be conveyed in text.

bujatt 12y ago
You are right. We got rid of more detailed explanations because it converted better, but we will try showing more of the product. Attila
- forgottenpass 12y ago
  it converted better Nevermind me then, I will never understand people.

soneca 12y ago

I am also for @who should !do #what ~when I think you have a good idea for "one time only, not planned tasks". Don't try to make this the next project management tool. Just a syntax/app to handle last minute, unplanned and delegation tasks.

romerro 12y ago

amazing :) keep it up!

fiatjaf 12y ago

I liked the notation thing, are there any other examples of applications that work like this, with a notation system that normal people can use (and do not feel like they are programming)?

humanarity 12y ago

This is the best simplest interface for getting things done I've seen. Awesome! Are you open sourcing this?

bujatt 12y ago
hi humanarity, not in the short term, but will allow API integrations.