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Memory in the Flesh: Can memories survive outside the brain?

30 points by RyanCooley 12y ago

leroy_masochist 12y ago
Somewhat related to this topic: doing 10 sessions of intensive rolfing therapy years ago not only helped correct some musculoskeletal issues I had; it also coincided with a significant dropoff in recurring Iraq-related dreams (I had previously served in OIF). Most of my musculoskeletal stuff was directly attributable to carrying 100+ lbs of kit up and down the street, up and down stairs, and over 2-meter walls, 4-12 hours a day. Maybe there's no correlation and it was just a placebo-type thing and/or my mind playing tricks on me, but I'm inclined to think that the improvement in longstanding tissue-related issues that were caused by deploying also ameliorated some of the psychological residue of that experience.
- dhimes 12y ago
  I had never heard of this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolfing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolfing
  - jackweirdy 12y ago
    “There is no evidence Rolfing is effective for the treatment of any health condition”
    - thirdtruck 12y ago
      Now I want to do a comparative study between that and joke-induced ROFLing. Then, a follow-up study on the gluteal benefits of ROFLMAOing.
    - deleted 12y ago
      [deleted]
    - leroy_masochist 12y ago
      It worked in my case.
bitwize 12y ago
Is it Woo Wednesday on Hacker News? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_memory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_memory Come on.
- strathmeyer 12y ago
  "Hey, I wonder if this is about the guy who ground up flatworms. Wow, he's still doing bad science??" We learned about him in our psychology research methods courses. So we were literally taught something is incorrect that is apparently still practiced in the field.
  - coldtea 12y ago
    Probably missed the whole content of TFA, which is that his experiments were redone now, with possitive results... It's not like it's impossible to be taught BS (e.g. that "something us incorrect") and it later to be proven true after all...
    - bitwize 12y ago
      Looks like you missed the contents of the Wikipedia article, which explains that unless hormones count as "memories", the flatworm experiments did not mean what McConnell thought they meant.
      - coldtea 12y ago
        Probably missed TFA entirely. This is not about what McConnell thought, nor is the Wikipedia version the state of the art of that research.
shakil 12y ago
From a religious perspective, Muslims believe in parts other than the brain also retaining a memory of their deeds and bearing independent witness on the day of judgement. Quran Sura 41, v18-20
secstate 12y ago
Man, science journalism is so hit or miss. While I appreciate the exposure that articles like this give interesting ideas, there's something so hilariously unscientific about the presentation. For my money, I'd question whether it's worth comparing an organism that can regenerate it's brain against any vertebrate that cannot.

30 points by RyanCooley 12y ago

Somewhat related to this topic: doing 10 sessions of intensive rolfing therapy years ago not only helped correct some musculoskeletal issues I had; it also coincided with a significant dropoff in recurring Iraq-related dreams (I had previously served in OIF). Most of my musculoskeletal stuff was directly attributable to carrying 100+ lbs of kit up and down the street, up and down stairs, and over 2-meter walls, 4-12 hours a day. Maybe there's no correlation and it was just a placebo-type thing and/or my mind playing tricks on me, but I'm inclined to think that the improvement in longstanding tissue-related issues that were caused by deploying also ameliorated some of the psychological residue of that experience.

dhimes 12y ago
I had never heard of this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolfing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolfing
- jackweirdy 12y ago
  “There is no evidence Rolfing is effective for the treatment of any health condition”
  - thirdtruck 12y ago
    Now I want to do a comparative study between that and joke-induced ROFLing. Then, a follow-up study on the gluteal benefits of ROFLMAOing.
  - deleted 12y ago
    [deleted]
  - leroy_masochist 12y ago
    It worked in my case.

bitwize 12y ago

Is it Woo Wednesday on Hacker News? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_memory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_memory Come on.

strathmeyer 12y ago
"Hey, I wonder if this is about the guy who ground up flatworms. Wow, he's still doing bad science??" We learned about him in our psychology research methods courses. So we were literally taught something is incorrect that is apparently still practiced in the field.
- coldtea 12y ago
  Probably missed the whole content of TFA, which is that his experiments were redone now, with possitive results... It's not like it's impossible to be taught BS (e.g. that "something us incorrect") and it later to be proven true after all...
  - bitwize 12y ago
    Looks like you missed the contents of the Wikipedia article, which explains that unless hormones count as "memories", the flatworm experiments did not mean what McConnell thought they meant.
    - coldtea 12y ago
      Probably missed TFA entirely. This is not about what McConnell thought, nor is the Wikipedia version the state of the art of that research.

shakil 12y ago

From a religious perspective, Muslims believe in parts other than the brain also retaining a memory of their deeds and bearing independent witness on the day of judgement. Quran Sura 41, v18-20

secstate 12y ago

Man, science journalism is so hit or miss. While I appreciate the exposure that articles like this give interesting ideas, there's something so hilariously unscientific about the presentation. For my money, I'd question whether it's worth comparing an organism that can regenerate it's brain against any vertebrate that cannot.