Yes! The "no interface is the best interface" does not make sense to me because everything has an interface. Good interfaces are simple interfaces, and they get

Yes! The "no interface is the best interface" does not make sense to me because everything has an interface. Good interfaces are simple interfaces, and they get out of the way. But they're there. Also, this "no interface" way of thinking often leads to poor discoverability. If users struggle to find the features they expect, the interface is not "getting out of the way". It can get pretty frustrating.