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Good, could people just stop messing with how scrolling works.

meej 12y ago
Ironically, it works great with the spacebar. (I've become accustomed to people breaking spacebar scrolling entirely, especially in Firefox.)
- lgas 12y ago
  Spacebar does nothing for me in Chrome.
  - meej 12y ago
    Bummer! I usually use Firefox to surf HN, hadn't tried it in Chrome.
X-combinator 12y ago
Yeah! hate these kind of websites.
jv22222 12y ago
I hope that menu thing on the top right doesn't become a new trend...
xbryanx 12y ago
I'm with you, but I'm a power user. I wonder if anyone has any sentiment analysis showing whether the average web user likes this sort of thing, or finds it annoying.
- austenallred 12y ago
  I'm probably a "power user" as well, but I literally cannot navigate the site. It's like 1/3 of my scrolls don't even register. This isn't "design for the masses," it's just plain broken. Edit: I don't know why I'm being downvoted, it must be working for some people. Here is a video of me trying to scroll (in Chrome) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulAw0P2geRE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulAw0P2geRE
  - yellowapple 12y ago
    I'm able to scroll perfectly fine with Conkeror (and by extension Firefox). Think of it less like an ordinary web page and more like a slideshow, since that's basically what this is.
  - anigbrowl 12y ago
    Have you tried pressing those buttons in the lower right hand corner of the keyboard?
    - madeofpalk 12y ago
      No, I have not and I won't.
      - jbrooksuk 12y ago
        Exactly this. It's a website, we shouldn't expect to scroll differently. This whole fad better die soon!
- downandout 12y ago
  Google is in the position to have done exactly this kind of analysis, and apparently the majority likes this crap. I'm glad I am not alone in hating it though.
  - bsbechtel 12y ago
    Google, and to a certain extent Facebook, LinkedIn, and all other large web companies are in positions to make data driven design decision, and every time it's done I hear lots of complaining. I'm wondering how great data driven design really is. On the flip side, how often do you hear that Apple's software design is driven by data analysis, and how often do you hear complaints about their designs?
    - Jare 12y ago
      > how often do you hear complaints about their designs? Every time I turn on my MBP.
    - endtime 12y ago
      I hate Apple design, but I just don't use their products. All Apple products have a good alternative...not necessarily true for Google, Facebook, Linkedin, etc.
  - sidcool 12y ago
    We are hacker news, we are professionally outraged.
- throw7 12y ago
  My scrolling seems to work, but it is annoying. The embedded video does not work at all for me. I had to copy link location and paste it another window for it to work.
untog 12y ago
I agree, but I'm starting to get sick of every Hacker News discussion talking about this rather than the actual content of the page.
- scholia 12y ago
  It's always worth complaining about this sort of crap, even if it doesn't have any impact on the ardent followers of web design fashion....
  - untog 12y ago
    Is it? What does it achieve? I think anyone browsing HN knows the opinion of the average HN user on scrolljacking. If they're still doing it it's because either they don't read HN or they have data that proves it works.
    - cpayne 12y ago
      Not sure why this was downvoted. I agree, after the 10th discussion on how designers are breaking scrolling, I'm not sure what is achieved apart from "yeah, that still pisses me off too!"
    - msutherl 12y ago
      Honestly, I think it might help. I design websites sometimes and I'm on here. At first I was kind of into it, but HN helped me see the error in my initial excitement. This implementation especially is incredibly obnoxious.
dredmorbius 12y ago
Christ on a stick. I don't usually flag posts for how utterly broken the sites are, but this is beyond utterly fucking broken. I saw the comments about iOS, it's no better on Chrome.
alphakappa 12y ago
I agree, the scrolling experience made me exit that page quicker than I should have. This is also a good time to remind folks of Mike Bostock's excellent writeup on scrolling: http://bost.ocks.org/mike/scroll/ http://bost.ocks.org/mike/scroll/
mahyarm 12y ago
They are pretty much copying mobile paged scroll views, like iOS and co. Mobile first UIs!
yellowapple 12y ago
This is actually the best scrolling I've encountered in one of these glorified-slideshow types of sites, especially for those who (like me) like to scroll with the arrow keys.
anigbrowl 12y ago
That's something worth mentioning as an addendum to a more substantive comment. Making it the sole basis of your comment is the epitome of short-sightedness. As the proverb has it, when a finger points at the moon, only the fool looks at the finger.
gavinpc 12y ago
Block cookies and it scrolls normally. Browsing without cookies means tons of things are broken — including things that break other things.
airza 12y ago
using two finger back on the OSX trackpad is broken on this site, what a pain...
Thiz 12y ago
I have a default zooming of 125% and nobody seems to know how to make the web work for us with disabilities, not even gmail works well. Scrolling pages always look weird for me. Image libraries like lightbox are a special pain in the ass.
- proexploit 12y ago
  Would you willing to provide me any detail about the issues you run into with Gmail?
  - Thiz 12y ago
    The most prominent, composing a new email. The floating window appears out of bounds and it's impossible to click any buttons on the lower bar, including the send button. What I do is tabbing all the way down so the floating window reorganizes allowing me to send the email.
- Khao 12y ago
  I use window 8's built-in scaling to put everything at 125% too because my laptop screen is a 15-inch 1920x1080 and I find with that kind of pixel density I need to make things a little bit bigger. It's ridiculous how many things are broken when doing this.
- tmd83 12y ago
  I think in the last major updated they made it really worse. No horizontal scrolling ever. My father has severe AMD (Age-related Macular Degeneration) and has to zoom very heavily. One day I went to his computer to fix his gmail to be welcomed with a white screen. It was just after they made the shiny new compose popup. It was placed so nicely that only the empty white center was visible. It confused the hell out of me for a moment let alone my father. I know scaling Gmail is a gigantic effort but I don't really understand this part (can anyone enlighten me). Gmail essentially has two core pages, the inbox (or list) and compose and tens of millions of users. If they can't fix the positioning of one compose popup how will the rest of us manage? A fair disclaimer in my own work I'm not sure how good we are in handling these issues but we do have a lot more UI and UI changes. It just makes me feel hopeless.

meej 12y ago

Ironically, it works great with the spacebar. (I've become accustomed to people breaking spacebar scrolling entirely, especially in Firefox.)

lgas 12y ago
Spacebar does nothing for me in Chrome.
- meej 12y ago
  Bummer! I usually use Firefox to surf HN, hadn't tried it in Chrome.

X-combinator 12y ago

Yeah! hate these kind of websites.

jv22222 12y ago

I hope that menu thing on the top right doesn't become a new trend...

xbryanx 12y ago

I'm with you, but I'm a power user. I wonder if anyone has any sentiment analysis showing whether the average web user likes this sort of thing, or finds it annoying.

austenallred 12y ago
I'm probably a "power user" as well, but I literally cannot navigate the site. It's like 1/3 of my scrolls don't even register. This isn't "design for the masses," it's just plain broken. Edit: I don't know why I'm being downvoted, it must be working for some people. Here is a video of me trying to scroll (in Chrome) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulAw0P2geRE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulAw0P2geRE
- yellowapple 12y ago
  I'm able to scroll perfectly fine with Conkeror (and by extension Firefox). Think of it less like an ordinary web page and more like a slideshow, since that's basically what this is.
- anigbrowl 12y ago
  Have you tried pressing those buttons in the lower right hand corner of the keyboard?
  - madeofpalk 12y ago
    No, I have not and I won't.
    - jbrooksuk 12y ago
      Exactly this. It's a website, we shouldn't expect to scroll differently. This whole fad better die soon!
downandout 12y ago
Google is in the position to have done exactly this kind of analysis, and apparently the majority likes this crap. I'm glad I am not alone in hating it though.
- bsbechtel 12y ago
  Google, and to a certain extent Facebook, LinkedIn, and all other large web companies are in positions to make data driven design decision, and every time it's done I hear lots of complaining. I'm wondering how great data driven design really is. On the flip side, how often do you hear that Apple's software design is driven by data analysis, and how often do you hear complaints about their designs?
  - Jare 12y ago
    > how often do you hear complaints about their designs? Every time I turn on my MBP.
  - endtime 12y ago
    I hate Apple design, but I just don't use their products. All Apple products have a good alternative...not necessarily true for Google, Facebook, Linkedin, etc.
- sidcool 12y ago
  We are hacker news, we are professionally outraged.
throw7 12y ago
My scrolling seems to work, but it is annoying. The embedded video does not work at all for me. I had to copy link location and paste it another window for it to work.

untog 12y ago

I agree, but I'm starting to get sick of every Hacker News discussion talking about this rather than the actual content of the page.

scholia 12y ago
It's always worth complaining about this sort of crap, even if it doesn't have any impact on the ardent followers of web design fashion....
- untog 12y ago
  Is it? What does it achieve? I think anyone browsing HN knows the opinion of the average HN user on scrolljacking. If they're still doing it it's because either they don't read HN or they have data that proves it works.
  - cpayne 12y ago
    Not sure why this was downvoted. I agree, after the 10th discussion on how designers are breaking scrolling, I'm not sure what is achieved apart from "yeah, that still pisses me off too!"
  - msutherl 12y ago
    Honestly, I think it might help. I design websites sometimes and I'm on here. At first I was kind of into it, but HN helped me see the error in my initial excitement. This implementation especially is incredibly obnoxious.

dredmorbius 12y ago

Christ on a stick. I don't usually flag posts for how utterly broken the sites are, but this is beyond utterly fucking broken. I saw the comments about iOS, it's no better on Chrome.

alphakappa 12y ago

I agree, the scrolling experience made me exit that page quicker than I should have. This is also a good time to remind folks of Mike Bostock's excellent writeup on scrolling: http://bost.ocks.org/mike/scroll/ http://bost.ocks.org/mike/scroll/

mahyarm 12y ago

They are pretty much copying mobile paged scroll views, like iOS and co. Mobile first UIs!

yellowapple 12y ago

This is actually the best scrolling I've encountered in one of these glorified-slideshow types of sites, especially for those who (like me) like to scroll with the arrow keys.

anigbrowl 12y ago

That's something worth mentioning as an addendum to a more substantive comment. Making it the sole basis of your comment is the epitome of short-sightedness. As the proverb has it, when a finger points at the moon, only the fool looks at the finger.

gavinpc 12y ago

Block cookies and it scrolls normally. Browsing without cookies means tons of things are broken — including things that break other things.

airza 12y ago

using two finger back on the OSX trackpad is broken on this site, what a pain...

Thiz 12y ago

I have a default zooming of 125% and nobody seems to know how to make the web work for us with disabilities, not even gmail works well. Scrolling pages always look weird for me. Image libraries like lightbox are a special pain in the ass.

proexploit 12y ago
Would you willing to provide me any detail about the issues you run into with Gmail?
- Thiz 12y ago
  The most prominent, composing a new email. The floating window appears out of bounds and it's impossible to click any buttons on the lower bar, including the send button. What I do is tabbing all the way down so the floating window reorganizes allowing me to send the email.
Khao 12y ago
I use window 8's built-in scaling to put everything at 125% too because my laptop screen is a 15-inch 1920x1080 and I find with that kind of pixel density I need to make things a little bit bigger. It's ridiculous how many things are broken when doing this.
tmd83 12y ago
I think in the last major updated they made it really worse. No horizontal scrolling ever. My father has severe AMD (Age-related Macular Degeneration) and has to zoom very heavily. One day I went to his computer to fix his gmail to be welcomed with a white screen. It was just after they made the shiny new compose popup. It was placed so nicely that only the empty white center was visible. It confused the hell out of me for a moment let alone my father. I know scaling Gmail is a gigantic effort but I don't really understand this part (can anyone enlighten me). Gmail essentially has two core pages, the inbox (or list) and compose and tens of millions of users. If they can't fix the positioning of one compose popup how will the rest of us manage? A fair disclaimer in my own work I'm not sure how good we are in handling these issues but we do have a lot more UI and UI changes. It just makes me feel hopeless.