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If you got in low, it's been really hard to not make money. Absolutely true. But there have been plenty of down days, and what's suspicious is that Goldman ma
by ewjordan 17y ago
If you got in low, it's been really hard to not make money.
Absolutely true.
But there have been plenty of down days, and what's suspicious is that Goldman made money on all of these except one (though see my final statement in this post - I don't fully believe that the numbers that are posted mean what they are supposed to mean).
Since July 3 (random date a few months ago), if you look at S&P 500 returns, there have been 50 up days and 36 down ones. To make money on each and every one of those movements screams "exploited loophole", if that's actually what happened. I'll leave it to other interested parties to calculate the probability of that happening by chance; it depends on your assumptions, but there's no way that it's significant enough to consider.
Or maybe they've fully solved the problem of market timing. But they're really just not that smart (there's not an analyst alive that believes you can nail day to day movements at 99% accuracy).
In this field, another maxim applies: never attribute to genius that which can be adequately explained by malice. Here, we've got motive and opportunity for malice, so I'm very hesitant to believe that they're playing fair...
However, I also don't necessarily believe that these numbers mean what we think they mean, since I don't know how they were generated, or what sorts of accounting or trading tricks may have been played to "smooth out" the risk profile and ensure very few losing days, as long as the long term average was positive. The appearance of zero-risk trading has some very tangible benefits, and there's a lot of stuff you can do to shift a distribution of returns so that it looks a lot less volatile than it really is...that whole CDS bonanza had a lot to do with shifting risk to the tails to snatch at predictable returns the rest of the time, so who am I to say there's not something similar going on here?
- adamt 17y agoWhen looking at S&P 500 returns etc, I think you're missing the fact that GS's Fixed Income business is far larger than their equity business. Given the huge amount of government borrowing going on around the world etc, the bond markets are probably quite active. Given that much of the big competition in the bond markets has collapsed, GS is having a field day there.
- dmillar 17y agoIt is also worth noting that GS has more cash on hand right now than ever before.
- dmillar 17y agoOne down day over the course a fiscal quarter hardly equates to "zero-risk" trading. The market has been on a 6 month trend up, and when trending it is relatively easy to make assumptions that can pay off everyday. Judging from last week's volatility I would be willing to bet we'll see something of an increase in down days for GS. Buying down and selling on a down day does not mean a loss is guaranteed. There could have been up days in between, and with the plethora of derivatives available who knows exactly how they took advantage of the strongly trending market. And don't think for a second that the SEC doesn't have a tent setup at the Jersey office watching every move. GS is the most profitable, and therefore most envied and suspect, financial institution in an economy that was decimated, almost single-handedly, by the finance industry.