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I think the author of this article made it (perhaps deliberately) ambiguous as to when these events took place. he gave Pao a volume of Leonard Cohen’s poems a

I think the author of this article made it (perhaps deliberately) ambiguous as to when these events took place. he gave Pao a volume of Leonard Cohen’s poems and drawings (entitled Book of Longing) on Valentine’s Day and asked her out to dinner on a night when his wife was out of town These could very well be two completely separate occasions. I suspect the author created this juxtaposition to elicit your precise reaction.

fweespeech 12y ago
Why do you think that? There are plenty of articles that agree the gift was given on Valentine's Day?
- adevine 12y ago
  I think he is saying the dinner wasn't on Valentine's Day.
  - fweespeech 12y ago
    The timing of the dinner request isn't relevant. The problem is the choice of gift on Valentines and the fact the author of the article basically equated buying erotic poetry with being "nice and mentoring".
    - anaximander 12y ago
      I agree that the gift was inappropriate. I was responding to your comment: "Hitting on a woman" - Doing nice things and inviting her to be alone with you on a day dedicated to romance. The invitation to have dinner may have happened anytime.
adevine 12y ago
This is why I feel it's just better to refrain from any sort of judgment on this case based on what you read in the news. You're right - as it's written, it looks like "Duh, he's hitting on her." But did he give a gift to everyone on Valentine's Day? When he "asked her out to dinner on a night when his wife was out of town", was it a date or a "Let's talk about a potential investment at a popular VC haunt"? I have no idea which is true, and I don't think I'm going to be able to find out based on summaries in the news.
- fweespeech 12y ago
  Based on my reading of the stuff from the defense, that would have been the first thing they would have trotted out and the fact they failed to do so makes it pretty clear. http://pando.com/2015/03/09/the-main-attraction-dispatches-from-the-pao-vs-kleiner-courtroom-pt-4/ http://pando.com/2015/03/09/the-main-attraction-dispatches-f... > Pao: I thought it was inappropriate, it had drawings of naked women, poems about masturbation and older men longing for younger women, and [Randy Komisar] gave it to me for Valentine’s Day. I'd say any defense of that would make it pretty clear he gave out gifts to everyone and/or this book to multiple people. But once again, its not relevant because my comment is in regards to the fact the article implies this sort of behavior is the equivalent of being nice and mentoring.

fweespeech 12y ago

Why do you think that? There are plenty of articles that agree the gift was given on Valentine's Day?

adevine 12y ago
I think he is saying the dinner wasn't on Valentine's Day.
- fweespeech 12y ago
  The timing of the dinner request isn't relevant. The problem is the choice of gift on Valentines and the fact the author of the article basically equated buying erotic poetry with being "nice and mentoring".
  - anaximander 12y ago
    I agree that the gift was inappropriate. I was responding to your comment: "Hitting on a woman" - Doing nice things and inviting her to be alone with you on a day dedicated to romance. The invitation to have dinner may have happened anytime.

adevine 12y ago

This is why I feel it's just better to refrain from any sort of judgment on this case based on what you read in the news. You're right - as it's written, it looks like "Duh, he's hitting on her." But did he give a gift to everyone on Valentine's Day? When he "asked her out to dinner on a night when his wife was out of town", was it a date or a "Let's talk about a potential investment at a popular VC haunt"? I have no idea which is true, and I don't think I'm going to be able to find out based on summaries in the news.

fweespeech 12y ago
Based on my reading of the stuff from the defense, that would have been the first thing they would have trotted out and the fact they failed to do so makes it pretty clear. http://pando.com/2015/03/09/the-main-attraction-dispatches-from-the-pao-vs-kleiner-courtroom-pt-4/ http://pando.com/2015/03/09/the-main-attraction-dispatches-f... > Pao: I thought it was inappropriate, it had drawings of naked women, poems about masturbation and older men longing for younger women, and [Randy Komisar] gave it to me for Valentine’s Day. I'd say any defense of that would make it pretty clear he gave out gifts to everyone and/or this book to multiple people. But once again, its not relevant because my comment is in regards to the fact the article implies this sort of behavior is the equivalent of being nice and mentoring.