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> they are not as easy to use as PHP(while ironically it is easier to go further faster with rails for instance than bare bone PHP) PHP's frameworks (Laravel,
by EarthLaunch 12y ago
> they are not as easy to use as PHP(while ironically it is easier to go further faster with rails for instance than bare bone PHP)
PHP's frameworks (Laravel, Yii, etc), being based on previous frameworks, are more mature and frankly just better than Rails in most ways, though less integrated with the stack. Which also provides more choice and 'competition' in the PHP ecosystem.
To be generous; starting with plain PHP would be like starting with Ruby, not Rails.
- makeitsuckless 12y agoThe relation with Rails illustrates how lively the PHP community is. Rails was one big step ahead, PHP copied Rails in a hundred different ways, iterated through that for 3 generations of frameworks and is now well ahead of the simplistic RoR ecosystem. Ruby is still a better language, but that really doesn't matter unless you project involves writing stuff from scratch.
- EarthLaunch 12y agoAgreed on Ruby, and great point about Rails being the one to break new ground in frameworks. I experimented with switching from Laravel to Rails recently, but I was too late to see it as innovative. Like how classic art comes to be cliche by virtue of being the root of its genre.