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no vi v. emacs?

by steele 12y ago

no vi v. emacs?

DiabloD3 12y ago
Vi vs emacs isn't really comparable. Emacs is a lisp VM with a built in full scale editor. I'm not saying emacs is wrong, but they are just completely different ways of building editors.
- btilly 12y ago
  Actually they are comparable. Someone starting out in programming needs an editor, and they are two of the options you have to choose between. Simply saying that they are not comparable doesn't help that person decide which environment to use. I should also point out that in theory vimsh is just as powerful a programming language as Elisp. People don't use them the same way, but you theoretically can.
  - wtbob 12y ago
    > I should also point out that in theory vimsh is just as powerful a programming language as Elisp. People don't use them the same way, but you theoretically can. That's a bit of a Turing tarpit, though. A one-instruction computer can compute any function, too, but I wouldn't want to use it. Likewise, vimsh isn't awful, but it's not a general-purpose language (elisp has a lot of warts at this point, but it is general-purpose, even if it wouldn't be my first choice for anything but extending emacs) and it's Yet Another Language; at elisp is a Lisp (which is a virtue).
bcg1 12y ago
don't get them started :)
notacoward 12y ago
No GNOME vs. KDE either, or language wars. While they do demonstrate the general "haters gonna hate" principle, they're not strictly back end. Probably should have thrown in something about systemd, though. ;)
yellowapple 12y ago
No! Stop! What are you doing? We're already battered enough as it is; we can't afford yet another breach of the vi/Emacs cease-fire.
SnacksOnAPlane 12y ago
I don't even understand how people can have this argument. I mean, how many people have actually invested enough time into both vi and emacs to meaningfully compare them? I doubt there are that many. Really, either one is a fine choice and will probably be able to handle all your coding needs, once it's customized to your liking.
- wz1000 12y ago
  Do evil-mode users count?

no vi v. emacs?

by steele 12y ago

no vi v. emacs?

Vi vs emacs isn't really comparable. Emacs is a lisp VM with a built in full scale editor. I'm not saying emacs is wrong, but they are just completely different ways of building editors.

btilly 12y ago
Actually they are comparable. Someone starting out in programming needs an editor, and they are two of the options you have to choose between. Simply saying that they are not comparable doesn't help that person decide which environment to use. I should also point out that in theory vimsh is just as powerful a programming language as Elisp. People don't use them the same way, but you theoretically can.
- wtbob 12y ago
  > I should also point out that in theory vimsh is just as powerful a programming language as Elisp. People don't use them the same way, but you theoretically can. That's a bit of a Turing tarpit, though. A one-instruction computer can compute any function, too, but I wouldn't want to use it. Likewise, vimsh isn't awful, but it's not a general-purpose language (elisp has a lot of warts at this point, but it is general-purpose, even if it wouldn't be my first choice for anything but extending emacs) and it's Yet Another Language; at elisp is a Lisp (which is a virtue).

bcg1 12y ago

don't get them started :)

notacoward 12y ago

No GNOME vs. KDE either, or language wars. While they do demonstrate the general "haters gonna hate" principle, they're not strictly back end. Probably should have thrown in something about systemd, though. ;)

yellowapple 12y ago

No! Stop! What are you doing? We're already battered enough as it is; we can't afford yet another breach of the vi/Emacs cease-fire.

SnacksOnAPlane 12y ago

I don't even understand how people can have this argument. I mean, how many people have actually invested enough time into both vi and emacs to meaningfully compare them? I doubt there are that many. Really, either one is a fine choice and will probably be able to handle all your coding needs, once it's customized to your liking.

wz1000 12y ago
Do evil-mode users count?