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You are not asking when and why. Why? Forums have a life cycle. They start small, full of interesting people. Hoi polloi find them and join, to spectate and s
by alan-crowe 17y ago
You are not asking when and why.
Why?
Forums have a life cycle. They start small, full of interesting people. Hoi polloi find them and join, to spectate and snark and lark. The signal to noise ratio falls and the interesting people leave.
Forums self limit by drowning in mediocrity. If some mechanism could prevent this a forum could grow larger and have more interesting people on it. There may well be a critical mass of interesting people that no forum has reached yet. Failing that it would still be a big win if a forum could persist. Having to move on and find somewhere else is a pain and people would use a complicated system if it actually delivered on the promise of keeping the signal to noise ratio up. What is at issue is the individual signal to noise ration, what you see given your white list. It doesn't matter if the forum as a whole goes down the tubes as long as the interesting people never find out. It also doesn't matter if people disagree about what is signal and what is noise, each to his own white list.
When?
Outer Circle starts small. So participants can simply use the ALL option, and not bother with rating. However, the Outer Circle client should offer each user vote up and vote down puttons. These are private. As the forum grows and ages, two things happen: there is plenty to read, the signal to noise ration falls. Each participant has a breaking point at which he asks the system to use the his personal voting tallies to auto-build him a white list.
Perhaps it should include those with positive totals and leave out those with negative totals. That could be done with putting all the positives on level zero, but if the forum is thriving the list will be thousands long. No. It is important that the auto-build takes some time to discover some structure so that it can build a hierarchical list.
There is a social science hypothesis lurking here. Outer Circle assumes that the authors you rate very highly will read authors that you rate highly and that there is a clustering of preferences sufficiently tight that hierarchical sharing of white lists becomes an efficient way of constructing and managing large white lists.
There after rating is pain-driven. When the signal to noise ration that you experience drops too low you think to yourself "Outer Circle is dying, where do I go to instead?" Then you remember your white list. You have continued to upvote and downvote, it is a habit, even though it doesn't seem to do anything. Now you can ask your Outer Circle client why the forum has become crap and it can tell you the paths by which you see the articles and suggest deepenings, shallowings, and directings to improve your experience.
I think that there is a threshold effect. If the rating system is elaborate enough to keep the forum from dying it is worth the hassle, but a slightly simply system, which merely slows the decline and thus prolongs the agony is worthless.
- JoachimSchipper 17y agoYou assume that online communities die because there are too many (sub-)mediocre people. I admit that this is a reasonable hypothesis that explains part of what can be observed, but it is a rather big leap to get to "a community will not fail as long as its populated by the elite". Even the elite has a finite attention span, after all, and any sufficiently large community is likely to splinter into sub-communities anyway. Either that, or people have to stop posting all but their best posts - and that does not seem likely.
- Vivtek 17y agoI think the take-away point is that this system would provide a way to have (one or more) communities within the community. The various subcommunities would overlap and cross-pollinate, so to speak, but if there were a small community of serious thinkers, they'd generate interesting talk on their own. This doesn't exclude the larger community - in fact, it permits the existence of a larger community to continue, and occasionally to cross over into the inner community. I'm not expressing this well, on reading back over it. But I think you're miscontruing the point. It's not that online communities die because there are too many sub-par people; it's that that many sub-par people dilute the original community and everybody throws up their hands and finds another place. This allows the original community to persist amid the din. 'S perfect. I like it.
- JoachimSchipper 17y agoI was specifically responding to what I construed as "this will allow a critical mass of smart people to emerge/collaborate": due to people's finite attention span and inability to keep track of too many different people, there is a natural limit to the size of a community anyway, and it is possible that "elite" communities run into this bound before they achieve critical mass (which is rather nebulous anyway, but I interpret this as "genius happens".) I'm really not trying to misconstrue your point, BTW; if it didn't interest me, I'd have stopped responding long ago, and I have better things to do than trolling.
- DanielStraight 17y ago