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A plank of wood or two is fine to carry, but what if you need to move something heavier like a refrigerator or a piece of furniture? It's ridiculous to think th

A plank of wood or two is fine to carry, but what if you need to move something heavier like a refrigerator or a piece of furniture? It's ridiculous to think that people should have to carry that stuff by hand or on bicycles over distances of multiple miles. I think it's more feasible that we ban personal vehicles in cities while still allowing commercial and emergency vehicles. Even allowing these vehicles, we'd probably be able to reduce most roads to single lane one way streets.

mlmonkey 12y ago
> what if you need to move something heavier like a refrigerator or a piece of furniture? How did the refrigerator get into the store in the first place? It can get out the same way.
revelation 12y ago
Clearly the sane solution is then for everyone to own a car. Because that's what people use cars for in the city, moving heavy stuff. This just sounds like concern-trolling.
6t6t6 12y ago
I don't know how often you buy new refrigerators, but I would rather hire a delivery company every time I change my refrigerator if that means living in a clean city. On the other car, the ban for private cars usually has only effect during a period of the day. In Barcelona, at least, you can access most streets in the city center after 20:00.
- cbd1984 12y ago
  > hire a delivery company As usual, this plan is OK for the more affluent and makes life more difficult for the poor.
  - wcummings 12y ago
    Poor people are probably using public transit, not driving in the first place. Investment in public transportation would be good for them. Investment in roads (automobile infrastructure) benefits only those who can afford cars.
  - 6t6t6 12y ago
    What you say may be true in US cities, or in the countryside. For me, living in Tokyo, it is really cheaper not owning a car but renting it when I need to, or hiring a delivery service. I guess that the same happens in most major European cities.
  - megablast 12y ago
    So it is more expensive to pay a one time fee to deliver the fridge (which a lot of companies do, or make it free), than to own and run a car?

mlmonkey 12y ago

> what if you need to move something heavier like a refrigerator or a piece of furniture? How did the refrigerator get into the store in the first place? It can get out the same way.

revelation 12y ago

Clearly the sane solution is then for everyone to own a car. Because that's what people use cars for in the city, moving heavy stuff. This just sounds like concern-trolling.

6t6t6 12y ago

I don't know how often you buy new refrigerators, but I would rather hire a delivery company every time I change my refrigerator if that means living in a clean city. On the other car, the ban for private cars usually has only effect during a period of the day. In Barcelona, at least, you can access most streets in the city center after 20:00.

cbd1984 12y ago
> hire a delivery company As usual, this plan is OK for the more affluent and makes life more difficult for the poor.
- wcummings 12y ago
  Poor people are probably using public transit, not driving in the first place. Investment in public transportation would be good for them. Investment in roads (automobile infrastructure) benefits only those who can afford cars.
- 6t6t6 12y ago
  What you say may be true in US cities, or in the countryside. For me, living in Tokyo, it is really cheaper not owning a car but renting it when I need to, or hiring a delivery service. I guess that the same happens in most major European cities.
- megablast 12y ago
  So it is more expensive to pay a one time fee to deliver the fridge (which a lot of companies do, or make it free), than to own and run a car?