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That's the same argument as "You could just not use IE4," and the same situation: "let's just break the web, we know best what's best for you." Ironic that it's

That's the same argument as "You could just not use IE4," and the same situation: "let's just break the web, we know best what's best for you." Ironic that it's Chrome this time, the browser that started out as the champion of NOT breaking the web.

diminoten 12y ago
Yeah, that's my point. We're beyond the place in time where a single browser gets to dictate behavior like this. I'm noticing a large uptick in "good engineering but terrible design and implementation choices in the name of security", and I wonder what's driving that.
lmm 12y ago
> Ironic that it's Chrome this time, the browser that started out as the champion of NOT breaking the web. I don't think that was ever the message. Chrome has always been "the fastest browser" rather than anything else, and it has lead to (much-needed IMO) substantial performance improvements from the other camps.
- Piskvorrr 12y ago
  I think you're retroactively spinning it, to fit what Chrome has become today. Let me just find the comics v1 rolled out with. Ahem: "There are a lot of limitations to the kinds of applications that you can build today with web browsers. And the subset of things you can do is different for each browser. If one browser has a cool feature, that doesn't help -- it has to exist across all browsers in order for developers to use it." (Emphasis original) But yeah, Google says they're not evil, so that makes anything they do non-evil...riiiiight. I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.
  - lmm 12y ago
    I'm not trying to be retroactive - I genuinely don't remember any comics - just the videos with the lasers and whatnot to show how fast it was.
    - Piskvorrr 12y ago
      Well, it's still out there. The main selling points were: - it's safe - it's fast - it's stable - doesn't break the web All of that in contrast with IE of that time, which failed all four of the above. Currently it's trying to stay somewhat safe, and ditched the other three in the process. https://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/ https://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/

diminoten 12y ago

Yeah, that's my point. We're beyond the place in time where a single browser gets to dictate behavior like this. I'm noticing a large uptick in "good engineering but terrible design and implementation choices in the name of security", and I wonder what's driving that.

lmm 12y ago

> Ironic that it's Chrome this time, the browser that started out as the champion of NOT breaking the web. I don't think that was ever the message. Chrome has always been "the fastest browser" rather than anything else, and it has lead to (much-needed IMO) substantial performance improvements from the other camps.

Piskvorrr 12y ago
I think you're retroactively spinning it, to fit what Chrome has become today. Let me just find the comics v1 rolled out with. Ahem: "There are a lot of limitations to the kinds of applications that you can build today with web browsers. And the subset of things you can do is different for each browser. If one browser has a cool feature, that doesn't help -- it has to exist across all browsers in order for developers to use it." (Emphasis original) But yeah, Google says they're not evil, so that makes anything they do non-evil...riiiiight. I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.
- lmm 12y ago
  I'm not trying to be retroactive - I genuinely don't remember any comics - just the videos with the lasers and whatnot to show how fast it was.
  - Piskvorrr 12y ago
    Well, it's still out there. The main selling points were: - it's safe - it's fast - it's stable - doesn't break the web All of that in contrast with IE of that time, which failed all four of the above. Currently it's trying to stay somewhat safe, and ditched the other three in the process. https://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/ https://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/