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> After this change, there will be no way for a web app to communicate directly with a locally installed daemon. Well, you could just not use Chrome.

jorangreef 12y ago
Yes, but if you're developing a cross-browser web app you can't expect your users to just not use Chrome.
- grennis 12y ago
  Wow how things have changed
- TheOtherHobbes 12y ago
  If Google keeps breaking web apps, users will move from Chrome anyway.
  - threeseed 12y ago
    This argument has been shown to be wrong on many, many occasions. Many users do not have a choice which browser they use, do not know they even have a choice or do not know how to exercise that choice i.e. download and install a competing browser. Finally you're then left with the massive problem of sites only working on certain browsers.
    - Turing_Machine 12y ago
      The situation where the user doesn't know about and/or is incapable of installing another browser is pretty common with default browsers like IE and Safari, but not nearly as common with Chrome.
      - makomk 12y ago
        Google have been bundling Chrome with widely-used software like Adobe Flash for years now, there's probably many people who've installed it and set it as their default browser without intending to.
  - Piskvorrr 12y ago
    Might. It only took ... what - five years? Ten years? for people to start ditching IE after it turned Evil (IE5+). The years between "Browser X is the best thing since sliced bread" and "Browser X Considered Harmful" became known as the Browser Dark Ages. Not looking forward to a repetition thereof.
    - diminoten 12y ago
      From 0 to 1 is a lot different than from 1 to 2, or from 1 to n.
Piskvorrr 12y ago
That's the same argument as "You could just not use IE4," and the same situation: "let's just break the web, we know best what's best for you." Ironic that it's Chrome this time, the browser that started out as the champion of NOT breaking the web.
- diminoten 12y ago
  Yeah, that's my point. We're beyond the place in time where a single browser gets to dictate behavior like this. I'm noticing a large uptick in "good engineering but terrible design and implementation choices in the name of security", and I wonder what's driving that.
- lmm 12y ago
  > Ironic that it's Chrome this time, the browser that started out as the champion of NOT breaking the web. I don't think that was ever the message. Chrome has always been "the fastest browser" rather than anything else, and it has lead to (much-needed IMO) substantial performance improvements from the other camps.
  - Piskvorrr 12y ago
    I think you're retroactively spinning it, to fit what Chrome has become today. Let me just find the comics v1 rolled out with. Ahem: "There are a lot of limitations to the kinds of applications that you can build today with web browsers. And the subset of things you can do is different for each browser. If one browser has a cool feature, that doesn't help -- it has to exist across all browsers in order for developers to use it." (Emphasis original) But yeah, Google says they're not evil, so that makes anything they do non-evil...riiiiight. I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.
    - lmm 12y ago
      I'm not trying to be retroactive - I genuinely don't remember any comics - just the videos with the lasers and whatnot to show how fast it was.

jorangreef 12y ago

Yes, but if you're developing a cross-browser web app you can't expect your users to just not use Chrome.

grennis 12y ago
Wow how things have changed
TheOtherHobbes 12y ago
If Google keeps breaking web apps, users will move from Chrome anyway.
- threeseed 12y ago
  This argument has been shown to be wrong on many, many occasions. Many users do not have a choice which browser they use, do not know they even have a choice or do not know how to exercise that choice i.e. download and install a competing browser. Finally you're then left with the massive problem of sites only working on certain browsers.
  - Turing_Machine 12y ago
    The situation where the user doesn't know about and/or is incapable of installing another browser is pretty common with default browsers like IE and Safari, but not nearly as common with Chrome.
    - makomk 12y ago
      Google have been bundling Chrome with widely-used software like Adobe Flash for years now, there's probably many people who've installed it and set it as their default browser without intending to.
- Piskvorrr 12y ago
  Might. It only took ... what - five years? Ten years? for people to start ditching IE after it turned Evil (IE5+). The years between "Browser X is the best thing since sliced bread" and "Browser X Considered Harmful" became known as the Browser Dark Ages. Not looking forward to a repetition thereof.
  - diminoten 12y ago
    From 0 to 1 is a lot different than from 1 to 2, or from 1 to n.

Piskvorrr 12y ago

That's the same argument as "You could just not use IE4," and the same situation: "let's just break the web, we know best what's best for you." Ironic that it's Chrome this time, the browser that started out as the champion of NOT breaking the web.

diminoten 12y ago
Yeah, that's my point. We're beyond the place in time where a single browser gets to dictate behavior like this. I'm noticing a large uptick in "good engineering but terrible design and implementation choices in the name of security", and I wonder what's driving that.
lmm 12y ago
> Ironic that it's Chrome this time, the browser that started out as the champion of NOT breaking the web. I don't think that was ever the message. Chrome has always been "the fastest browser" rather than anything else, and it has lead to (much-needed IMO) substantial performance improvements from the other camps.
- Piskvorrr 12y ago
  I think you're retroactively spinning it, to fit what Chrome has become today. Let me just find the comics v1 rolled out with. Ahem: "There are a lot of limitations to the kinds of applications that you can build today with web browsers. And the subset of things you can do is different for each browser. If one browser has a cool feature, that doesn't help -- it has to exist across all browsers in order for developers to use it." (Emphasis original) But yeah, Google says they're not evil, so that makes anything they do non-evil...riiiiight. I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.
  - lmm 12y ago
    I'm not trying to be retroactive - I genuinely don't remember any comics - just the videos with the lasers and whatnot to show how fast it was.