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Interesting. 230,000 seems a surprisingly average wage to be stuck in a net cafe. I think there may be other factors at play - perhaps the part time nature of h

Interesting. 230,000 seems a surprisingly average wage to be stuck in a net cafe. I think there may be other factors at play - perhaps the part time nature of his job prevents him from being accepted into apartments. edit: Just my opinion, but I'd say ¥1,000,000 is ... overestimating it a fair bit. Assuming 70,000 rent - a little less than what I pay in a 1DK quite near Shinjuku/Shibuya - 2 months cleaning deposit, 1 month rent in advance, 1 month to the agent, 1 month guarantor, ~20,000 disaster insurance fees, ~5万 to get very basic furnishings (Nittori delivers!) - comes in under half that. Key money seems to be less and less common. More often than not, it's only one month, or zero with a 2 month cleaning fee.

jpatokal 12y ago
As the article says, when you're temping and have an irregular income, you need to pay more in guarantor fees, advance rent etc to make up for your perceived/actual lack of stability.
- VLM 12y ago
  Also a close reading of the article shows the intro dude was getting over twice the income of his fellow cafe residents. So if overtime goes away and they only need him 3 days/week instead of current 6 days/week, and maybe he loses his temp job entirely for a few months, or gets stuck at 1/2 average income instead of twice for awhile... he could be homeless and penniless on the street in just a couple months. So saving up a very large cushion sounds wise to me. A long time ago I went into my first bachelor pad expecting to spend X in the first month and ended up spending 2X. Things add up!
- Kurtz79 12y ago
  patio11 wrote an amazing post of work culture in Japan. http://www.kalzumeus.com/2014/11/07/doing-business-in-japan/ http://www.kalzumeus.com/2014/11/07/doing-business-in-japan/ Basically if you are a salaryman in some respected company (to which you are prepared to sell your soul for the rest of your life) getting an apartment, a bank account or really any service is trivial, since it is assumed that the company guarantees for you. If you are NOT backed up by a major company you have more or less the status of a bum, and people will refuse altogheter of renting to you, at any condition, or ask for crazy guarantees.

jpatokal 12y ago

As the article says, when you're temping and have an irregular income, you need to pay more in guarantor fees, advance rent etc to make up for your perceived/actual lack of stability.

VLM 12y ago
Also a close reading of the article shows the intro dude was getting over twice the income of his fellow cafe residents. So if overtime goes away and they only need him 3 days/week instead of current 6 days/week, and maybe he loses his temp job entirely for a few months, or gets stuck at 1/2 average income instead of twice for awhile... he could be homeless and penniless on the street in just a couple months. So saving up a very large cushion sounds wise to me. A long time ago I went into my first bachelor pad expecting to spend X in the first month and ended up spending 2X. Things add up!
Kurtz79 12y ago
patio11 wrote an amazing post of work culture in Japan. http://www.kalzumeus.com/2014/11/07/doing-business-in-japan/ http://www.kalzumeus.com/2014/11/07/doing-business-in-japan/ Basically if you are a salaryman in some respected company (to which you are prepared to sell your soul for the rest of your life) getting an apartment, a bank account or really any service is trivial, since it is assumed that the company guarantees for you. If you are NOT backed up by a major company you have more or less the status of a bum, and people will refuse altogheter of renting to you, at any condition, or ask for crazy guarantees.