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Then what? It's better than complaining on a website where everybody agrees with you. I'm going to do something. We've got to do something. The situation's bad

Then what? It's better than complaining on a website where everybody agrees with you. I'm going to do something. We've got to do something. The situation's bad enough as it is.

tumult 17y ago
I don't know. We're probably fucked. If you believe you can stop this by writing to your congressperson or protesting: why do you think this is being done in secrecy? Obviously, they are fully aware nobody is going to like it. It will be enacted regardless. That being said, I would still like to do as much as I can to prevent it, or in the case that it's enacted, circumvent it or corrupt it to the point of uselessness. At this stage, I don't think there's much we can do just yet. We also can't be sure this report is accurate.
daeken 17y ago
We find a silly case under this law that would've been legal previously, then get a few hundred thousand (or more) people to download it, willingly putting the content up in violation all at once. Civil disobedience isn't the best choice necessarily, but it can work quite well in situations like this.
- tumult 17y ago
  Why hasn't this worked for the DMCA?
  - daeken 17y ago
    Little organization. There haven't been any well organized attacks on the DMCA, which is necessary for it to work.
pg 17y ago
I agree with you. If the entire tech community was up in arms about this (assuming the treaty is really as bad as this article says), I think politicians would notice. They are not all in the pay of the movie business. The more neutral ones might wake up if it appeared the treaty was going to do net damage to the US economy.
- tdonia 17y ago
  should this prove to be true, this is an excellent opportunity for [google | yahoo | microsoft | apple | facebook | any other major tech company that relies on people making things with computers] to petition against this with their ad dollars in a very vocal manner. being the first to rally people against this seems like it'd be far more culturally relevant in the long term than spending the money on a superbowl ad and billboard campaign saying "my brand is good".
  - guitarjunkie 17y ago
    But how do we convince them that is the case? I agree with you wholeheartedly, but we (or someone) needs to convince these companies that this is something they can afford to lose a little ad revenue on in the short term. Whats more, the companies you listed, especially google, are extremely well connected, I doubt this is shock to them.
- hackerblues 17y ago
  From the wikipedia page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War ) "According to the French academic Dominique Reynié, between January 3 and April 12, 2003, 36 million people across the globe took part in almost 3,000 protests against the Iraq war.[3]" Protests don't seem to have a very good track record.
  - pg 17y ago
    I'm not just (or even) talking about people taking to the streets. If this report is accurate, the treaty would hurt VCs, and VCs aren't powerless.
- danek 17y ago
  does the EFF lobby? if not, maybe what we need an organization to lobby on our behalf. maybe a new startup could somehow do this? i don't know how it would get the money to do so...
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InclinedPlane 17y ago
Destroy them, fund the competition. Boycott any company that encourages the use of DRM. Pirate their products and distribute them via encrypted, untraceable networks like TOR, or plain old sneaker-net. Support individuals and companies who avoid DRM, who treat their users with respect, and who distribute their works directly, etc.
Quarrelsome 17y ago
You could always create a worm that installs utorrent and starts downloading any popular file going. Once the worm is in the field then how will they tell who are real pirates or hapless victims?
- roc 17y ago
  I think the more conscionable peaceful protest would be to wardrive around your town and download various torrents through any and all wifi APs that you can access. This wouldn't require violating anyone else's machines, but would have much the same effect. (presenting the ISP with the prospect of cutting off a huge percentage of their customers, i.e. revenue)
  - Quarrelsome 17y ago
    Yes but that requires serious logistics to do on a massive scale, furthermore peaceful was never a caveat. People are saying "what can we do? what power do we have?". As programmers we could do that. I'm not saying that is the right choice.
    - roc 17y ago
      It only took a handful of lunch counters and a handful of busses. With today's media, it certainly wouldn't take more than a handful of towns. Most of us probably have enough people in our personal social graph to pull it off.

Then what? It's better than complaining on a website where everybody agrees with you. I'm going to do something. We've got to do something. The situation's bad enough as it is.

tumult 17y ago

I don't know. We're probably fucked. If you believe you can stop this by writing to your congressperson or protesting: why do you think this is being done in secrecy? Obviously, they are fully aware nobody is going to like it. It will be enacted regardless. That being said, I would still like to do as much as I can to prevent it, or in the case that it's enacted, circumvent it or corrupt it to the point of uselessness. At this stage, I don't think there's much we can do just yet. We also can't be sure this report is accurate.

daeken 17y ago

We find a silly case under this law that would've been legal previously, then get a few hundred thousand (or more) people to download it, willingly putting the content up in violation all at once. Civil disobedience isn't the best choice necessarily, but it can work quite well in situations like this.

tumult 17y ago
Why hasn't this worked for the DMCA?
- daeken 17y ago
  Little organization. There haven't been any well organized attacks on the DMCA, which is necessary for it to work.

pg 17y ago

I agree with you. If the entire tech community was up in arms about this (assuming the treaty is really as bad as this article says), I think politicians would notice. They are not all in the pay of the movie business. The more neutral ones might wake up if it appeared the treaty was going to do net damage to the US economy.

tdonia 17y ago
should this prove to be true, this is an excellent opportunity for [google | yahoo | microsoft | apple | facebook | any other major tech company that relies on people making things with computers] to petition against this with their ad dollars in a very vocal manner. being the first to rally people against this seems like it'd be far more culturally relevant in the long term than spending the money on a superbowl ad and billboard campaign saying "my brand is good".
- guitarjunkie 17y ago
  But how do we convince them that is the case? I agree with you wholeheartedly, but we (or someone) needs to convince these companies that this is something they can afford to lose a little ad revenue on in the short term. Whats more, the companies you listed, especially google, are extremely well connected, I doubt this is shock to them.
hackerblues 17y ago
From the wikipedia page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War ) "According to the French academic Dominique Reynié, between January 3 and April 12, 2003, 36 million people across the globe took part in almost 3,000 protests against the Iraq war.[3]" Protests don't seem to have a very good track record.
- pg 17y ago
  I'm not just (or even) talking about people taking to the streets. If this report is accurate, the treaty would hurt VCs, and VCs aren't powerless.
danek 17y ago
does the EFF lobby? if not, maybe what we need an organization to lobby on our behalf. maybe a new startup could somehow do this? i don't know how it would get the money to do so...

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InclinedPlane 17y ago

Destroy them, fund the competition. Boycott any company that encourages the use of DRM. Pirate their products and distribute them via encrypted, untraceable networks like TOR, or plain old sneaker-net. Support individuals and companies who avoid DRM, who treat their users with respect, and who distribute their works directly, etc.

Quarrelsome 17y ago

You could always create a worm that installs utorrent and starts downloading any popular file going. Once the worm is in the field then how will they tell who are real pirates or hapless victims?

roc 17y ago
I think the more conscionable peaceful protest would be to wardrive around your town and download various torrents through any and all wifi APs that you can access. This wouldn't require violating anyone else's machines, but would have much the same effect. (presenting the ISP with the prospect of cutting off a huge percentage of their customers, i.e. revenue)
- Quarrelsome 17y ago
  Yes but that requires serious logistics to do on a massive scale, furthermore peaceful was never a caveat. People are saying "what can we do? what power do we have?". As programmers we could do that. I'm not saying that is the right choice.
  - roc 17y ago
    It only took a handful of lunch counters and a handful of busses. With today's media, it certainly wouldn't take more than a handful of towns. Most of us probably have enough people in our personal social graph to pull it off.