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The mechanism is wide open for abuse. If this regime comes to pass, I would expect different groups to be issuing bogus takedown notices against competitors...

by olefoo 17y ago

The mechanism is wide open for abuse. If this regime comes to pass, I would expect different groups to be issuing bogus takedown notices against competitors... Imagine if PETA activists started nailing the public IP's of meatpacking companies with allegations of copyright infringement... or imagine that you're in the middle of a complex court fight and your law firm, and most of your lawyers home and mobile ips are shut down in a coordinated attack...

derwiki 17y ago
I had a conversation similar to this topic with a friend this weekend, but about net neutrality. I contended that certain restrictions put on the internet would be so obtuse that there is no way they could be enforced -- this seems like one of them. I'm not sure PETA would do that, because they're a legitimate organization that could have action taken against them. But that's an interesting point: if every IP address was reported, how do they enforce or verify it? Personally, they can pry my internet from my cold dead hands.
- regularfry 17y ago
  PETA may be a legitimate organisation, but the people involved may well have friends who perform actions which, while it is obviously impossible to condone them, your honour, do support their cause.
dschobel 17y ago
Right but the take down notices would require that you own some IP to allege infringement upon and have the resources to actually produce a non-frivolous legal missive. I really doubt this is going to be some grand populist legal tool.
- olefoo 17y ago
  I think you missed the part where the takedown happens without the need to prove anything. And it's easy enough to gin up something. Also most activist groups generate a fair amount of media content. Content which is likely to be monitored by the people most likely to be in their sights. And if someone mildly technically knowledgable gets involved you could really cause trouble. Imagine the havoc that could be wreaked by AT&T disconnecting Verizon. Or shutting down Dreamhost. Instant disconnection on accusal is a recipe for stupid things. Hell, someone would probably set up a linkbait news posting to a webpage that they claim is protected ip and have a script issue automatic disconnect requests to everyone who views the target page.
  - danek 17y ago
    Hell, someone would probably set up a linkbait news posting to a webpage that they claim is protected ip and have a script issue automatic disconnect requests to everyone who views the target page. sounds like a good way to shut down supporters of XYZ cause
  - regularfry 17y ago
    > I think you missed the part where the takedown happens without the need to prove anything. Or, in fact, come from the people it claims to come from.

by olefoo 17y ago

derwiki 17y ago

I had a conversation similar to this topic with a friend this weekend, but about net neutrality. I contended that certain restrictions put on the internet would be so obtuse that there is no way they could be enforced -- this seems like one of them. I'm not sure PETA would do that, because they're a legitimate organization that could have action taken against them. But that's an interesting point: if every IP address was reported, how do they enforce or verify it? Personally, they can pry my internet from my cold dead hands.

regularfry 17y ago
PETA may be a legitimate organisation, but the people involved may well have friends who perform actions which, while it is obviously impossible to condone them, your honour, do support their cause.

dschobel 17y ago

Right but the take down notices would require that you own some IP to allege infringement upon and have the resources to actually produce a non-frivolous legal missive. I really doubt this is going to be some grand populist legal tool.

olefoo 17y ago
I think you missed the part where the takedown happens without the need to prove anything. And it's easy enough to gin up something. Also most activist groups generate a fair amount of media content. Content which is likely to be monitored by the people most likely to be in their sights. And if someone mildly technically knowledgable gets involved you could really cause trouble. Imagine the havoc that could be wreaked by AT&T disconnecting Verizon. Or shutting down Dreamhost. Instant disconnection on accusal is a recipe for stupid things. Hell, someone would probably set up a linkbait news posting to a webpage that they claim is protected ip and have a script issue automatic disconnect requests to everyone who views the target page.
- danek 17y ago
  Hell, someone would probably set up a linkbait news posting to a webpage that they claim is protected ip and have a script issue automatic disconnect requests to everyone who views the target page. sounds like a good way to shut down supporters of XYZ cause
- regularfry 17y ago
  > I think you missed the part where the takedown happens without the need to prove anything. Or, in fact, come from the people it claims to come from.