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Does anyone know who the competitor he is talking about is?

by wakeless 17y ago

dualogy 17y ago
Could be Perforce or Atlassian Jira...
- zackattack 17y ago
  I use JIRA at work and love it. Jus' saying.
jordanb 17y ago
Probably these guys: http://www.atlassian.com/ http://www.atlassian.com/
- solutionyogi 17y ago
  I doubt if it's atlassian guys. My guess is that it's OnTime by Axosoft. May be Joel can clarify. http://www.axosoft.com/ontime http://www.axosoft.com/ontime
  - ghshephard 17y ago
    Atlassian goes head-head with FogCreek in terms of features and pricing. <$10K for 100+ Users. AxoSoft _starts_ at $43K for 100 Users.
brown9-2 17y ago
I'm dubious that it is Atlassian, since they have about half a dozen other (popular) products besides a bug tracker. At least I hope its not because I love using their products and I want Joel to do well too...
- Carlfish 17y ago
  I work at Atlassian and I kind of assume it's us, partly because everyone else around the Internet seems to think he's talking about us, but mostly because the Fogbugz 7 manifesto talked in all caps about people threatening to "GO OVER TO THE AUSTRALIANS". There's a good chance he isn't, though, because the company described in that article doesn't really bear a great resemblance to Atlassian. The business models of Fog Creek and Atlassian are far more alike than they are different. Both companies are developer-founded, private, non-VC funded and growing "within their means". Both aim for bottom-up adoption rather than selling top-down through CIOs, and (although this is apparently changing at FogCreek?) neither have a traditional sales team. Both even started off writing an issue tracker (JIRA, FogBugz) then followed up with a content management app (Confluence, CityDesk). Before this year we didn't have a growth strategy beyond "sell lots of software, and use the money we get from that to hire more people to make more software and sell that." We've recently got (temporarily) a little more aggressive about hiring because we figured the GFC was a great time for a profitable company to snaffle up any good people who were at loose ends, especially when some of our VC-funded competition were being forced by the same circumstances to lay developers off. So yeah, we're hiring. http://www.atlassian.com/32/ http://www.atlassian.com/32/ :)
  - noblethrasher 17y ago
    Fogbugz followed CityDesk.
    - Carlfish 17y ago
      I sit corrected. :)
  - ghshephard 17y ago
    GFC = "Great Fucking Crash?" :-)
    - j_b_f 17y ago
      Global Financial CrisOMGWTFauuuuughhh
pseale 17y ago
I'm going to guess TFS/VSTS from Microsoft, which is both a relatively new product, and fits his description of aggressive expansion.

Does anyone know who the competitor he is talking about is?

dualogy 17y ago

Could be Perforce or Atlassian Jira...

zackattack 17y ago
I use JIRA at work and love it. Jus' saying.

jordanb 17y ago

Probably these guys: http://www.atlassian.com/ http://www.atlassian.com/

solutionyogi 17y ago
I doubt if it's atlassian guys. My guess is that it's OnTime by Axosoft. May be Joel can clarify. http://www.axosoft.com/ontime http://www.axosoft.com/ontime
- ghshephard 17y ago
  Atlassian goes head-head with FogCreek in terms of features and pricing. <$10K for 100+ Users. AxoSoft _starts_ at $43K for 100 Users.

brown9-2 17y ago

I'm dubious that it is Atlassian, since they have about half a dozen other (popular) products besides a bug tracker. At least I hope its not because I love using their products and I want Joel to do well too...

Carlfish 17y ago
I work at Atlassian and I kind of assume it's us, partly because everyone else around the Internet seems to think he's talking about us, but mostly because the Fogbugz 7 manifesto talked in all caps about people threatening to "GO OVER TO THE AUSTRALIANS". There's a good chance he isn't, though, because the company described in that article doesn't really bear a great resemblance to Atlassian. The business models of Fog Creek and Atlassian are far more alike than they are different. Both companies are developer-founded, private, non-VC funded and growing "within their means". Both aim for bottom-up adoption rather than selling top-down through CIOs, and (although this is apparently changing at FogCreek?) neither have a traditional sales team. Both even started off writing an issue tracker (JIRA, FogBugz) then followed up with a content management app (Confluence, CityDesk). Before this year we didn't have a growth strategy beyond "sell lots of software, and use the money we get from that to hire more people to make more software and sell that." We've recently got (temporarily) a little more aggressive about hiring because we figured the GFC was a great time for a profitable company to snaffle up any good people who were at loose ends, especially when some of our VC-funded competition were being forced by the same circumstances to lay developers off. So yeah, we're hiring. http://www.atlassian.com/32/ http://www.atlassian.com/32/ :)
- noblethrasher 17y ago
  Fogbugz followed CityDesk.
  - Carlfish 17y ago
    I sit corrected. :)
- ghshephard 17y ago
  GFC = "Great Fucking Crash?" :-)
  - j_b_f 17y ago
    Global Financial CrisOMGWTFauuuuughhh

pseale 17y ago

I'm going to guess TFS/VSTS from Microsoft, which is both a relatively new product, and fits his description of aggressive expansion.