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You most likely do. The hardware you use is probably manufactured under much more severe conditions that under those you work. And what about the raw materials

You most likely do. The hardware you use is probably manufactured under much more severe conditions that under those you work. And what about the raw materials required to produce that hardware? Some of those are probably mined under much more harsh conditions. The same goes for the clothes you wear, the food you eat etc. (though, to be fair it is easier to consciously buy better food and clothes today than hardware). I often felt bad working in the software business because of the issues with hardware manufacturing. You can buy locally produced clothes and food, and you can often figure out under what conditions they are made under. With hardware, not so much.

StavrosK 12y ago
That's a bit disingenuous. By that logic, everyone exploits people, so the baseline just rises to that, making the GP's statement "I didn't exploit any more people than everyone else", which is more or less true.
golergka 12y ago
Yes, I use products that are made by people that fare worse than me. This statement will stay true forever for any member of the middle class, unless humanity will get rid of money, and enters post-scarcity economy of Star Trek (which would've been called communism, if wasn't such a loaded world). But it doesn't mean that I exploit those people in any way.
- countrybama24 12y ago
  You are the customer of those who do exploit those people though. We're all complicit in this, but I think it's equally disingenuous to wash one's hands of all exploitation in supply chain they benefit from simply because they don't directly make the decision to exploit someone. You're fortunate to work in an industry where workers have enough leverage to combat the exploitation rampant in other industries. And it is not inevitable, we could end (or at least minimize) the violent, chaotic exploitation without needing a post-scarcity economy in my opinion.
  - golergka 12y ago
    > those who do exploit those people though I don't think that a majority of these people are exploited. Some are, and it definitely happens more often than to people like you and me (going from the assumptions that hacker news is a website for software developers, I have trouble picturing a developer who falls into "really poor people" category), but still — not always. More often it's just market reality that create these kind of conditions.

StavrosK 12y ago

That's a bit disingenuous. By that logic, everyone exploits people, so the baseline just rises to that, making the GP's statement "I didn't exploit any more people than everyone else", which is more or less true.

golergka 12y ago

Yes, I use products that are made by people that fare worse than me. This statement will stay true forever for any member of the middle class, unless humanity will get rid of money, and enters post-scarcity economy of Star Trek (which would've been called communism, if wasn't such a loaded world). But it doesn't mean that I exploit those people in any way.

countrybama24 12y ago
You are the customer of those who do exploit those people though. We're all complicit in this, but I think it's equally disingenuous to wash one's hands of all exploitation in supply chain they benefit from simply because they don't directly make the decision to exploit someone. You're fortunate to work in an industry where workers have enough leverage to combat the exploitation rampant in other industries. And it is not inevitable, we could end (or at least minimize) the violent, chaotic exploitation without needing a post-scarcity economy in my opinion.
- golergka 12y ago
  > those who do exploit those people though I don't think that a majority of these people are exploited. Some are, and it definitely happens more often than to people like you and me (going from the assumptions that hacker news is a website for software developers, I have trouble picturing a developer who falls into "really poor people" category), but still — not always. More often it's just market reality that create these kind of conditions.