3 ms·

For "utilizing introverts" a mailing list is good enough. "utilizing".. fucking clowns.

cauterized 12y ago
The title sucks but that doesn't make the point of the essay invalid. Both extroverts and introverts have valid and important things to say, but they need to be encouraged to share their thoughts in different ways. You're not doing you r business any favors if you conduct meetings in a way that fails to enable introverts to share information and ideas in a way that's comfortable to them.
- dschiptsov 12y ago
  I think this is "cargo management" - a low rate stuff. Bad psychology. Bad management. First of all, so called introverts usually are deliberately avoiding to be dragged into a meeting with idiots. Instead, they prefer and actively using different forms of communication, which does not demand to exercise any social skills in public, like mailing lists or forums, which saves them from an unpleasant burden and discomfort. Those who are unable to understand such simple premise are qualified for idiots. Secondly, most of meetings are irrelevant waste of time - ritualized events, designed for "parasitic" management to justify its existence and status. This statement could be easily supported by successful existence of project like LLVM, Linux Kernel, BSD, Webkit, you name it, which gives a remarkable results without any explicit, well-paid management and idiotic artificial "productivity" metrics and rituals of loyalty and status of any hierarchical social groups. It is OK to have an "emergency" meeting in some special occasion. It is tolerable to deal with incompetent management in cases when it solves real problems and shields techies from distractions, but being forced to meet weak-minded, role-playing idiots, for the sake of their gratification from a meaningless public performance, who will encourage me to share yourself completely - no, thank you. That's why, perhaps, I am not utilized at any Java sweatshop. But I had enough meetings in my IT career.)
  - mooreds 12y ago
    Hmmm..that is an interesting perspective. I have been to plenty of useless meetings, but also to plenty of meetings which were useful. The latter were characterized by a clear agenda outlibg issues, sides that had different understanding of that problem, and a respect for everyone's time. Maybe I am naive, but I thank that face to face meetings are still the highest bandwidth means of communicating, especially with strangers about goals that are still fluid. Don't get me wrong, they have drawbacks (synchronous, not every one needs to be there the entire time but it is hard to skip in and out). I have seen plenty of email chains "go off the rails" and waste plenty of time too.

The title sucks but that doesn't make the point of the essay invalid. Both extroverts and introverts have valid and important things to say, but they need to be encouraged to share their thoughts in different ways. You're not doing you r business any favors if you conduct meetings in a way that fails to enable introverts to share information and ideas in a way that's comfortable to them.

dschiptsov 12y ago
I think this is "cargo management" - a low rate stuff. Bad psychology. Bad management. First of all, so called introverts usually are deliberately avoiding to be dragged into a meeting with idiots. Instead, they prefer and actively using different forms of communication, which does not demand to exercise any social skills in public, like mailing lists or forums, which saves them from an unpleasant burden and discomfort. Those who are unable to understand such simple premise are qualified for idiots. Secondly, most of meetings are irrelevant waste of time - ritualized events, designed for "parasitic" management to justify its existence and status. This statement could be easily supported by successful existence of project like LLVM, Linux Kernel, BSD, Webkit, you name it, which gives a remarkable results without any explicit, well-paid management and idiotic artificial "productivity" metrics and rituals of loyalty and status of any hierarchical social groups. It is OK to have an "emergency" meeting in some special occasion. It is tolerable to deal with incompetent management in cases when it solves real problems and shields techies from distractions, but being forced to meet weak-minded, role-playing idiots, for the sake of their gratification from a meaningless public performance, who will encourage me to share yourself completely - no, thank you. That's why, perhaps, I am not utilized at any Java sweatshop. But I had enough meetings in my IT career.)
- mooreds 12y ago
  Hmmm..that is an interesting perspective. I have been to plenty of useless meetings, but also to plenty of meetings which were useful. The latter were characterized by a clear agenda outlibg issues, sides that had different understanding of that problem, and a respect for everyone's time. Maybe I am naive, but I thank that face to face meetings are still the highest bandwidth means of communicating, especially with strangers about goals that are still fluid. Don't get me wrong, they have drawbacks (synchronous, not every one needs to be there the entire time but it is hard to skip in and out). I have seen plenty of email chains "go off the rails" and waste plenty of time too.