I've seen frameworks degenerate into a mess both for outsourcing firm projects, and projects developed internally. You might say "They were using the framework

I've seen frameworks degenerate into a mess both for outsourcing firm projects, and projects developed internally. You might say "They were using the framework incorrectly!", but if it's too easy to use a framework incorrectly, then I don't see the value it provides. Without a framework, it's much easier to trace the control flow. If the code is in 2-5 files that are explicitly included, that's a lot easier to understand than when files get magically included from all over the place.