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Actually, I think this video sums up the main problem with the article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8HdOHrc3OQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8HdOHrc3OQ

Actually, I think this video sums up the main problem with the article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8HdOHrc3OQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8HdOHrc3OQ Would you say the guy in the video is aggressive? He certainly speaks loudly and authoritatively, and uses a lot of emotional words and shortcuts. Of course the answer is no. The article confuses, quite thoroughly, aggression and passion. That's why I said "she's reading too much into it", because she reads "aggression" where she should just probably read "passion".

grandalf 12y ago
The speech in the video is political propaganda speech. Not only does it use emotional words but it uses value-laden words extensively... both to reinforce the character of the speaker and to underscore the speaker's message. The speaker wishes to come across as passionate because of the persuasive power of that kind of tone/tempo. If a company's engineering culture is anything like that I'd be worried. > The article confuses, quite thoroughly, aggression and passion. Not necessarily. The speech doesn't have to be deliberately aggressive to still create the negative effects that stifle rationality and make it more difficult to rationally analyze the problem/decision.
- asgard1024 12y ago
  Hm, interesting. This seems like a "Spock vs. Bones" type of worldview, although I would have never guessed that I would side with Bones (age, probably?). Yeah, perhaps if you want fully rational discussion, then emotions are counterproductive. But should that mean we should have this sterile environment without any passion? And does showing a passion really means aggression? I just don't think so.
  - grandalf 12y ago
    That depends, personally I prefer to have a rational discussion about technology decisions. Sure we inevitably feel some emotion when we care about our work... but: - Sometimes one person's emotion turns into bluster that can be unwittingly intimidating to others. - Emotions should be an input into a meta-rational process, not something that can override it. - The goal here is getting the most buy-in and problem solving out of a group of people. In my experience going into a decision with eyes open about the tradeoffs is always a good thing.
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grandalf 12y ago

The speech in the video is political propaganda speech. Not only does it use emotional words but it uses value-laden words extensively... both to reinforce the character of the speaker and to underscore the speaker's message. The speaker wishes to come across as passionate because of the persuasive power of that kind of tone/tempo. If a company's engineering culture is anything like that I'd be worried. > The article confuses, quite thoroughly, aggression and passion. Not necessarily. The speech doesn't have to be deliberately aggressive to still create the negative effects that stifle rationality and make it more difficult to rationally analyze the problem/decision.

asgard1024 12y ago
Hm, interesting. This seems like a "Spock vs. Bones" type of worldview, although I would have never guessed that I would side with Bones (age, probably?). Yeah, perhaps if you want fully rational discussion, then emotions are counterproductive. But should that mean we should have this sterile environment without any passion? And does showing a passion really means aggression? I just don't think so.
- grandalf 12y ago
  That depends, personally I prefer to have a rational discussion about technology decisions. Sure we inevitably feel some emotion when we care about our work... but: - Sometimes one person's emotion turns into bluster that can be unwittingly intimidating to others. - Emotions should be an input into a meta-rational process, not something that can override it. - The goal here is getting the most buy-in and problem solving out of a group of people. In my experience going into a decision with eyes open about the tradeoffs is always a good thing.
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