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I can't see JustAnotherApp™ helping in a meaningful way. How would that work? I fear the teacher would need to bring another device or pull out their phone, d

I can't see JustAnotherApp™ helping in a meaningful way. How would that work? I fear the teacher would need to bring another device or pull out their phone, distracting the lecture. It sounds like the biggest problem's awareness (teacher bias). From there, a class roster and a pen would address tracking in the simplest form.

hyperion2010 12y ago
My main take home from the article is that it is important to get all the kids to think. Which requires them to focus and not become distracted. To me introducing technology into the situation actually makes the situation worse because it is far more likely to serve as a distraction regardless of any good intentions. Kids need to learn to sit with their thoughts and really mull over them. Really all the teacher would need is a RNG for the number of kids in class that would pick randomly with the restriction that you discard numbers that have been picked 2 (or n) addition times from the lowest picked number. That way there is still some fear that even though you have been called on you may still be called on before everyone else has been.
dragonwriter 12y ago
> How would that work? I fear the teacher would need to bring another device or pull out their phone, distracting the lecture. How is using a phone/tablet for this purpose any more distracting from the lecture than using a paper + writing instrument + writing? A mobile device isn't going to get in the way than keeping an attendance sheet on a desk/podium/clipboard and using that.
- caminante 12y ago
  I disagree. Think about the implications of using an app v. pen + paper. I assume the device would need to remain unlocked, have notifications turned off (e.g. email), and the screen isn't currently synched with a projector among other assumptions. Are these reasonable? If so, can you elaborate on what you're envisioning for both scenarios (app v. pen)?
  - taeric 12y ago
    In either case, the instructor would need training to do the actions discretely. Waiting for a teacher to go jot down any notes is annoying.
    - caminante 12y ago
      A teacher would need training to explain class participation and write a checkmark? Students are too clever to not notice. There's nothing to hide.
      - taeric 12y ago
        Yes, a teacher would need training for this. Did you read the article linked? One of the initial points was praise for the teacher addressing a kids behavior without the rest of the class noticing. This isn't something that is just natural. It is a skill that is built. Some people have just been building it for so long that it seems natural
        caminante 12y ago
        Huh? This sub-thread isn't about ways to correct student behavior (Doug Lemov article). We're talking about the NARST article, which explicitly lists a process where you call on students, using a roster. There's nothing discreet about that.
        taeric 12y ago
        Right, I'm saying for this to be effective and not a distraction, training it would large boon.
taeric 12y ago
Agreed it would be bad if distracting. This is why I said it would be good for the watch or some other ubiquitous item. Basically key it so that the phone doesn't show anything as it is sitting on the desk. If the teacher wants to call on someone, tap a button on their watch (discretely) and it will show someone's name/seat number.

hyperion2010 12y ago

My main take home from the article is that it is important to get all the kids to think. Which requires them to focus and not become distracted. To me introducing technology into the situation actually makes the situation worse because it is far more likely to serve as a distraction regardless of any good intentions. Kids need to learn to sit with their thoughts and really mull over them. Really all the teacher would need is a RNG for the number of kids in class that would pick randomly with the restriction that you discard numbers that have been picked 2 (or n) addition times from the lowest picked number. That way there is still some fear that even though you have been called on you may still be called on before everyone else has been.

dragonwriter 12y ago

> How would that work? I fear the teacher would need to bring another device or pull out their phone, distracting the lecture. How is using a phone/tablet for this purpose any more distracting from the lecture than using a paper + writing instrument + writing? A mobile device isn't going to get in the way than keeping an attendance sheet on a desk/podium/clipboard and using that.

caminante 12y ago
I disagree. Think about the implications of using an app v. pen + paper. I assume the device would need to remain unlocked, have notifications turned off (e.g. email), and the screen isn't currently synched with a projector among other assumptions. Are these reasonable? If so, can you elaborate on what you're envisioning for both scenarios (app v. pen)?
- taeric 12y ago
  In either case, the instructor would need training to do the actions discretely. Waiting for a teacher to go jot down any notes is annoying.
  - caminante 12y ago
    A teacher would need training to explain class participation and write a checkmark? Students are too clever to not notice. There's nothing to hide.
    - taeric 12y ago
      Yes, a teacher would need training for this. Did you read the article linked? One of the initial points was praise for the teacher addressing a kids behavior without the rest of the class noticing. This isn't something that is just natural. It is a skill that is built. Some people have just been building it for so long that it seems natural
      - caminante 12y ago
        Huh? This sub-thread isn't about ways to correct student behavior (Doug Lemov article). We're talking about the NARST article, which explicitly lists a process where you call on students, using a roster. There's nothing discreet about that.
        taeric 12y ago
        Right, I'm saying for this to be effective and not a distraction, training it would large boon.

taeric 12y ago

Agreed it would be bad if distracting. This is why I said it would be good for the watch or some other ubiquitous item. Basically key it so that the phone doesn't show anything as it is sitting on the desk. If the teacher wants to call on someone, tap a button on their watch (discretely) and it will show someone's name/seat number.