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Great story! That's what I love about immigration - bringing people like you here. America needs people with your attitude.

by beat 12y ago

logfromblammo 12y ago
But it's not immigration. H-1B visas are nonimmigrant guest worker visas, with dual intent. That just means H-1B guest workers are allowed to apply for permanent residency with an I-140 while working in the US. It doesn't take a rocket senator to figure out that if people are entering on an H-1B and then applying for a green card at the earliest opportunity, it is because the US isn't issuing nearly enough immigrant visas. Am I the only one that thinks America should be encouraging smart people with valuable skills to stay as long as they like, without sponsorship? I don't think I am. I also think that the vast numbers of foreign students attending American universities is a great opportunity. Why not slide up to graduates of certain degree programs and say, "Hey, buddy, you like America? Since you have a degree in X, I could convert that student visa to an immigrant worker visa right now, if you want. Actually, how about I do it anyway, and if you really don't want it, just tell me to stop? Hey! Wait! Where are you going? Do you want to live under your parents' thumbs? If you get on that plane now, you will regret it! Our taxes are really very reasonable! Come baaaaaack!"
- beat 12y ago
  Can't say I disagree with you there. But America has a long tradition of people doing whatever it takes to get here - lying, twisting the rules, or hiding in container ships or swimming rivers in the dark of night. People take incredible risks to become Americans. THOSE are the people I want in my country! Serious immigrants are generally more entrepreneurial and more courageous that citizens. If there's a root cause justification to American exceptionalism, its that we came from above average stock.
  - Vraxx 12y ago
    I get where you're coming from, though I can't help but disagree with it. Why does it necessarily need to be hard for people to immigrate to ensure that they are people that you want in your country? Couldn't quality be enforced or even cared about by the people that are hiring them? I should think the act of immigrating alone presents enough challenges to 'thin out' the people who don't 'want it enough'. I think we're more likely to end up with higher quality immigrants if we provide higher quality opportunity in our countries rather than making it a ridiculous game of hoop jumping to immigrate. In fact, "lying, twisting the rules, or hiding in container ships or swimming rivers in the dark of night" sounds like it's more likely to instill contempt for the rules of the country before they're even citizen's rather than ensure their entrepreneurial spirit. Edited to space out paragraphs.
    - beat 12y ago
      "Contempt for the rules" is pretty congruent with "entrepreneurial spirit". :)
      - Vraxx 12y ago
        I disagree with that because I think they are only situationally congruent and you don't necessarily need contempt for the rules to foster an entrepreneurial spirit. If the rules are burdensome without very good justification for existing (which is definitely possible) I think the two can be congruent, but I don't support making our rules burdensome without good justification for the sole purpose of breeding contempt for the rules/ an entrepreneurial spirit.

Great story! That's what I love about immigration - bringing people like you here. America needs people with your attitude.

by beat 12y ago

Great story! That's what I love about immigration - bringing people like you here. America needs people with your attitude.

logfromblammo 12y ago

But it's not immigration. H-1B visas are nonimmigrant guest worker visas, with dual intent. That just means H-1B guest workers are allowed to apply for permanent residency with an I-140 while working in the US. It doesn't take a rocket senator to figure out that if people are entering on an H-1B and then applying for a green card at the earliest opportunity, it is because the US isn't issuing nearly enough immigrant visas. Am I the only one that thinks America should be encouraging smart people with valuable skills to stay as long as they like, without sponsorship? I don't think I am. I also think that the vast numbers of foreign students attending American universities is a great opportunity. Why not slide up to graduates of certain degree programs and say, "Hey, buddy, you like America? Since you have a degree in X, I could convert that student visa to an immigrant worker visa right now, if you want. Actually, how about I do it anyway, and if you really don't want it, just tell me to stop? Hey! Wait! Where are you going? Do you want to live under your parents' thumbs? If you get on that plane now, you will regret it! Our taxes are really very reasonable! Come baaaaaack!"

beat 12y ago
Can't say I disagree with you there. But America has a long tradition of people doing whatever it takes to get here - lying, twisting the rules, or hiding in container ships or swimming rivers in the dark of night. People take incredible risks to become Americans. THOSE are the people I want in my country! Serious immigrants are generally more entrepreneurial and more courageous that citizens. If there's a root cause justification to American exceptionalism, its that we came from above average stock.
- Vraxx 12y ago
  I get where you're coming from, though I can't help but disagree with it. Why does it necessarily need to be hard for people to immigrate to ensure that they are people that you want in your country? Couldn't quality be enforced or even cared about by the people that are hiring them? I should think the act of immigrating alone presents enough challenges to 'thin out' the people who don't 'want it enough'. I think we're more likely to end up with higher quality immigrants if we provide higher quality opportunity in our countries rather than making it a ridiculous game of hoop jumping to immigrate. In fact, "lying, twisting the rules, or hiding in container ships or swimming rivers in the dark of night" sounds like it's more likely to instill contempt for the rules of the country before they're even citizen's rather than ensure their entrepreneurial spirit. Edited to space out paragraphs.
  - beat 12y ago
    "Contempt for the rules" is pretty congruent with "entrepreneurial spirit". :)
    - Vraxx 12y ago
      I disagree with that because I think they are only situationally congruent and you don't necessarily need contempt for the rules to foster an entrepreneurial spirit. If the rules are burdensome without very good justification for existing (which is definitely possible) I think the two can be congruent, but I don't support making our rules burdensome without good justification for the sole purpose of breeding contempt for the rules/ an entrepreneurial spirit.