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I kinda giggled when they said that if you know Obj-C, then you know C++ as well.

by beat 12y ago

symfoniq 12y ago
Maybe the writer is confusing C++ with C.
- beat 12y ago
  I see the C == C++ formulation even more often. It's like comparing a kayak to one of those flying battleship things from The Avengers. (I'd rather be kayaking than waiting for that crazy machine to just fall from the sky, but that's me)
  - symfoniq 12y ago
    Agreed. The "C/C++" designation is all too common. What I was getting at is that any experienced Objective-C programmer would also know C. C++ is an entirely different matter.
    - raverbashing 12y ago
      To be fair, C++ distanced itself from "C with classes" with time, and as better libraries came on board that you don't have to bother with system libraries (mostly) C++ today is far from what it was 10 years ago (also, its much less relevant today)
    - beat 12y ago
      The interesting part of knowing Obj-C is knowing all the Apple system stuff, because no one uses it outside the Apple ecosystem. Incidentally, I've been using Go lately, and it's much closer to the "modern C" feel that I want than either Obj-C or C++. It's a remarkably reality-driven language.
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sporkenfang 12y ago
Yeah, that and calling languages "skills"... maybe it's just me, but if you know enough languages, picking up one more isn't that painful, usually (I'm making an exception for MATLAB... which still pains me...).
- thearn4 12y ago
  I'm becoming more convinced over time that having engineers learn MATLAB as their first technical computing language really hurts them in the long run. You always end up in a state where you have to do very convoluted tricks to do anything that isn't straight up numerical linear algebra. There ends up being a lot of aversion where I work from some engineers towards the use of new non-MATLAB programming tools (even Python), I think because many simple believe that all general systems programming is going to be as convoluted.

I kinda giggled when they said that if you know Obj-C, then you know C++ as well.

by beat 12y ago

I kinda giggled when they said that if you know Obj-C, then you know C++ as well.

symfoniq 12y ago

Maybe the writer is confusing C++ with C.

beat 12y ago
I see the C == C++ formulation even more often. It's like comparing a kayak to one of those flying battleship things from The Avengers. (I'd rather be kayaking than waiting for that crazy machine to just fall from the sky, but that's me)
- symfoniq 12y ago
  Agreed. The "C/C++" designation is all too common. What I was getting at is that any experienced Objective-C programmer would also know C. C++ is an entirely different matter.
  - raverbashing 12y ago
    To be fair, C++ distanced itself from "C with classes" with time, and as better libraries came on board that you don't have to bother with system libraries (mostly) C++ today is far from what it was 10 years ago (also, its much less relevant today)
  - beat 12y ago
    The interesting part of knowing Obj-C is knowing all the Apple system stuff, because no one uses it outside the Apple ecosystem. Incidentally, I've been using Go lately, and it's much closer to the "modern C" feel that I want than either Obj-C or C++. It's a remarkably reality-driven language.
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sporkenfang 12y ago

Yeah, that and calling languages "skills"... maybe it's just me, but if you know enough languages, picking up one more isn't that painful, usually (I'm making an exception for MATLAB... which still pains me...).

thearn4 12y ago
I'm becoming more convinced over time that having engineers learn MATLAB as their first technical computing language really hurts them in the long run. You always end up in a state where you have to do very convoluted tricks to do anything that isn't straight up numerical linear algebra. There ends up being a lot of aversion where I work from some engineers towards the use of new non-MATLAB programming tools (even Python), I think because many simple believe that all general systems programming is going to be as convoluted.