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Are you in contact with the Pirate parties of different countries? Your party sounds like it uses the idea of "liquid democracy" which is discussed quite a bit

by kriro 12y ago

Are you in contact with the Pirate parties of different countries? Your party sounds like it uses the idea of "liquid democracy" which is discussed quite a bit by the Pirate parties if memory serves right. I think the German one at least discussed some tools to use/build for the entire vote/poll mechanism which I assume is built into your collaboration product. You'll probably end up in some upcoming startup books as an unusual MVP (is it M?). "Found a political party". Good luck, political change is really hard and I do like the concept of more direct wisdom of the crowd like politics. I'm not sure about your product but access to governments and understanding how they work is pretty valuable. Government tools tend to be internally-viral (one community usues it, it spreads). I'm curious if the fact that you are also a party might be dangerous for the product though. Pretty often useful stuff is blocked on principle so for example if your party seems "left", conservative city councils might not use your tool due to that (likewise the other way around). Pretty interesting problem to have.

th0br0 12y ago
They even went ahead and implemented a 'liquid feedback' tool. Which seems quite similar to democracyOS? http://liquidfeedback.org/ http://liquidfeedback.org/
- orbifold 12y ago
  While they were doing that they squandered all their political potential by failing to elect strong, media competent leaders and consequently were dismantled by mass media. Of course the media was relatively keen on doing that anyways, with a few exceptions in the more intellectual news papers.
  - th0br0 12y ago
    I agree, but the parent was referring to this tool I believe.
joeyspn 12y ago
> I think the German one at least discussed some tools to use/build for the entire vote/poll mechanism which I assume is built into your collaboration product I think they built this tool (or considered using) Agora Voting[0] (Django/Python) which as far as I know, has put A LOT of effort into security and fraud-prevention (PKI, Mix-net's, etc), IMO the biggest issue here. It's a soft derived from the Spanish Internet Party, I guess it's the equivalent of the argentian side from which DemocracyOS came into existence, or at least both draw a lot of parallelisms. I wonder if it wouldn't be better for all these DD parties [1] to just unite forces and focus on a single tool... The idea is certainly interesting. [0] https://github.com/agoravoting https://github.com/agoravoting [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_direct_democracy_parties http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_direct_democracy_partie...
seykron 12y ago
There exist a very active Pirate Party from Argentina[1] based on a direct democracy processes[2]. The "Net Party" actually doesn't exist, it is just a mask to sell DemocracyOS. If you get into their site, there's nothing about politics, it is just entrepreneurship bullshit. And by the way, they are no longer a "legal" political party, they lost the legal representation because they didn't reach the electoral law requirements it would be irrelevant information if they would have something beyond the software, but they don't. [1] http://partidopirata.com.ar/ http://partidopirata.com.ar/ [2] http://wiki.partidopirata.com.ar/Carta_Org%C3%A1nica/en http://wiki.partidopirata.com.ar/Carta_Org%C3%A1nica/en
- UserRights 12y ago
  Thanks for the information! Good luck with your work in AR!
- piamancini 12y ago
  We lost representation this year, but the Pirate Party was never a political party in Argentina. They didn't even run for elections once. So please...
  - seykron 12y ago
    Actually we chosen do not participate in elections, but we're still a political organization. You can take a look at our report published in the PPI journal[1]. Anyway, I've got not problems with experimental politics, I do study anthropology and believe me, I have a good idea what a social experiment is. I personally consider you a very smart person and I know you understand which is my concern about The Net Party. The Net Party is not what it says it is. There's no transparency, you're not looking for political agreements in order to use DemocracyOS in other way than a poll, you're not using the money to develop a software oriented to the principles you say it has, you do not define your ideology and anyone with slight knowledge of politics and history can see which it is. You operate like a startup company and not like a political organization. I have not problems with your ideas (I personally don't share them, but I think it is an open discussion), I have problems with your actions. You're cheating people and you know it. [1] http://piratetimes.net/a-report-from-the-argentinian-pirate-party-ga/ http://piratetimes.net/a-report-from-the-argentinian-pirate-...

by kriro 12y ago

th0br0 12y ago

They even went ahead and implemented a 'liquid feedback' tool. Which seems quite similar to democracyOS? http://liquidfeedback.org/ http://liquidfeedback.org/

orbifold 12y ago
While they were doing that they squandered all their political potential by failing to elect strong, media competent leaders and consequently were dismantled by mass media. Of course the media was relatively keen on doing that anyways, with a few exceptions in the more intellectual news papers.
- th0br0 12y ago
  I agree, but the parent was referring to this tool I believe.

joeyspn 12y ago

> I think the German one at least discussed some tools to use/build for the entire vote/poll mechanism which I assume is built into your collaboration product I think they built this tool (or considered using) Agora Voting[0] (Django/Python) which as far as I know, has put A LOT of effort into security and fraud-prevention (PKI, Mix-net's, etc), IMO the biggest issue here. It's a soft derived from the Spanish Internet Party, I guess it's the equivalent of the argentian side from which DemocracyOS came into existence, or at least both draw a lot of parallelisms. I wonder if it wouldn't be better for all these DD parties [1] to just unite forces and focus on a single tool... The idea is certainly interesting. [0] https://github.com/agoravoting https://github.com/agoravoting [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_direct_democracy_parties http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_direct_democracy_partie...

seykron 12y ago

There exist a very active Pirate Party from Argentina[1] based on a direct democracy processes[2]. The "Net Party" actually doesn't exist, it is just a mask to sell DemocracyOS. If you get into their site, there's nothing about politics, it is just entrepreneurship bullshit. And by the way, they are no longer a "legal" political party, they lost the legal representation because they didn't reach the electoral law requirements it would be irrelevant information if they would have something beyond the software, but they don't. [1] http://partidopirata.com.ar/ http://partidopirata.com.ar/ [2] http://wiki.partidopirata.com.ar/Carta_Org%C3%A1nica/en http://wiki.partidopirata.com.ar/Carta_Org%C3%A1nica/en

UserRights 12y ago
Thanks for the information! Good luck with your work in AR!
piamancini 12y ago
We lost representation this year, but the Pirate Party was never a political party in Argentina. They didn't even run for elections once. So please...
- seykron 12y ago
  Actually we chosen do not participate in elections, but we're still a political organization. You can take a look at our report published in the PPI journal[1]. Anyway, I've got not problems with experimental politics, I do study anthropology and believe me, I have a good idea what a social experiment is. I personally consider you a very smart person and I know you understand which is my concern about The Net Party. The Net Party is not what it says it is. There's no transparency, you're not looking for political agreements in order to use DemocracyOS in other way than a poll, you're not using the money to develop a software oriented to the principles you say it has, you do not define your ideology and anyone with slight knowledge of politics and history can see which it is. You operate like a startup company and not like a political organization. I have not problems with your ideas (I personally don't share them, but I think it is an open discussion), I have problems with your actions. You're cheating people and you know it. [1] http://piratetimes.net/a-report-from-the-argentinian-pirate-party-ga/ http://piratetimes.net/a-report-from-the-argentinian-pirate-...